• Valmond@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Oh so baity!

    You can remove “western democracy” there I guess.

    Also nah, I can speak out against my boss, my eventual landlord and protest in the streets, because I live in France, a western democracy.

    YMMW.

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      The French are smart enough to burn cars and loot when their government tries to pull some bullshit. I wish Germans were that smart.

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      And I can do all this in America. Mind you I work somewhere that struggles to keep people and more selective jobs do pull this shit, same with my landlord. And yeah protesting does often go that way if you’re left wing

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      Doesn’t matter whether you consider the US a western democracy, they consider themselves one and what OOP says is that that can’t possibly be right for the reasons following. It seems you are in agreement after all.

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      3 months ago

      eventual landlord

      So you’re a child? Lol good luck speaking out against a landlord, don’t you know it’s like a job interview nowadays with references from past landlords and all?

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        That is completely dependent on country and who you try to rent from. In Norway the most I ever had to do is consent to an automatic check to prove I don’t have any reports of not paying bills.

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          You ever rent from a private landlord, instead of letting agency?

          I’m Finnish, and what you say has been true for me — aside from when my credit got fucked (due to some semiauthoritarian bullshit), when I had to rent from a private landlord.

          That was more or less exactly how the earlier commenter describes it; an interview. Luckily I was just over 20 and out of the army as an NCO, so the old couple were really into that and gave me the apartment.

          I also used to believe our cops weren’t that bad. Until I was detained and saw how they act behind closed doors.

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            I’ve only rented from companies as it’s generally safer and you know that they will (most likely) follow the law.

            You never know what you get when you rent from people, their professionality and knowledge of the various laws are highly variable. You could get lucky, and you could get very unlucky.

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              Problem is private dodgy blokes is the only way some people can afford to rent out alone at all, that it be forced like rats into some houseshare dump. Coming from someone who does the same thing you do for the same reasons.

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          Oh for sure. I’m not french but I’m relatively familiar with the rental laws there as I considered them in depth when I considered moving and they’re not much better than the UK, where it is utter dogshit.

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        I own my appartement but I have rented over 20 different ones before that.

        No need to namecall just because you don’t understand 😊

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          Oh ok so you haven’t rented in the current market. So actually it’s you who doesn’t understand eh?

          Idk what you meant in that case by “eventual landlord”, maybe try actually making sense first and then maybe you won’t get name-called as much. 😊

          From what I can tell, France still has essentially no-fault evictions and nowhere near sufficient renter protections, while there is a housing crisis going on. It’s not anywhere near as bad as the UK, but given the regulations as I can see them, I wouldn’t risk speaking out against the landlord in any capacity there either. This doesn’t even touch the fact that France is also fairly centralised, in that job opportunities are richer closer to the city and the bigger the city, and Paris is even worse for living expenses overall than London.

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        lol ever heard of renter’s rights? it’s incredibly fucking difficult to kick out a renter here in sweden, they have to repeatedly be a massive nuisance to everyone around.

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          In Sweden yes, maybe, idk, not Swedish. In Europe no, we have heard of renters’ rights, but as a renter I can tell you we have practically none.