• IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    The links aren’t really relevant. What about other cases where the state murdered an innocent person? Just because they get it right sometimes it doesn’t excuse the other times when they don’t.

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      3 months ago

      I’m not excusing anything, I’m saying the inherent problems with the death penalty are excuses for correcting it and keeping it rather than getting rid of it.

      There are unequivocable monsters in our society that should be exterminated, I cited two proven examples.

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        3 months ago

        There are unequivocable monsters in our society that should be exterminated

        And who gets to decide who falls under that? If you ask former (and possibly future) president Trump, the left is “vermin” and immigrants “poison the blood”; his pick for VP is happy to sign off on progressives being called “unhuman”. Should these groups – in their view unequivocable monsters – be exterminated?

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          3 months ago

          I’d say if you get caught cooking human body parts, any logical person would be capable of making that call.

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        3 months ago

        Ok. I see no reason to continue this discussion if you’re just going to ignore the point I’m making. One last time: the system can’t be “corrected”, there will always be errors, innocent people will die.

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          3 months ago

          Absolutely not. When you are caught with photographs of a murdered kid hanging in your closet and their underwear kept as a trophy there is no “error” there.

          Again, you didn’t read the links I posted or understand the first thing I am saying. There is such a thing as uncontested guilt. In those cases, the death penalty absolutely should apply.

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            3 months ago

            There can always be error. I’m not saying that there is on the two cases you keep bringing up but the sad fact is that prosecutors can withhold exonerating evidence, defense council can be next to useless, judges can be biased, defendants can have mental health issues and developmental problems and so on.

            You can’t just hand wave these concerns away and advocate for executing only the people who confess and send the rest to prison for life. That distinction is too messy and open to abuse.

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                3 months ago

                There’s nuance here you’re just not willing to accept, that’s why you keep bringing up the worst of the worst like that’s a persuasive argument.

                There’s a sliding scale of criminality. At some point someone has to make a determination between the most egregious, who are executed, and less vicious crimes where the defendant is jailed indefinitely. The person who is making that determination cannot ever be wrong for your approach to work.

                That’s my point, mistakes were and are being made because that’s what happens when you ask people to make these decisions.

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                  3 months ago

                  Because, as I’ve stated from the very start, I believe the death penalty should be reserved for the worst of the worst.

                  It might mean only applying it once or twice a decade, but in cases of monsters we need to have that option.

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                    3 months ago

                    That’s not how the legal system works, at all.

                    Your slightly strange obsession with “monsters” is clouding your ability to think critically on this issue.