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    He is definitely conservative. But he understands that we will not ever get to vote again if Trump gets reelelected.

    Trump is not a conservative.

    Edit: it is his ex wife

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        That’s not what the word has ever meant. It’s fundamentally not how labels work.

        Conservatives are people who figure ‘well someone’s gotta be the king.’ Their worldview is defined by strict hierarchy. There are people above you, and they get to decide what’s real, and there are people below you, and they better watch their step when you’re around. Everything else is theater.

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          It is not only how that label works, it’s what they tell themselves they’re doing.

          Make America Great Again. The appeal to nostalgia. To return to our supposed roots.

          They’re just, you know, idiots that don’t even know what those are, being led by fascists who know very well what part of American history they want back, and it’s not kicking Nazi ass under the New Deal.

          Well, maybe they like the racial discrimination in welfare programs part.

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            it’s what they tell themselves they’re doing.

            So they’re not actually doing it. The group isn’t doing the thing which you think defines that group.

            No alien imposed fascism upon these people. They chose fascism. They are fascists. And that extreme form of conservative ideology is never about bringing anything back - that’s just the lie they tell, because it works. They plan transformative violence for unprecedented American dictatorship, and they just say it’ll be like the past, somehow.

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              I’m saying they aren’t American conservatives at all, they’re just boring old fascists.

              Conservatism is a relative judgement based on politically acceptable rhetoric. Fascism is not.

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        Did he or did he not say he would be a ‘dictator on day one’? How do you allow those 2 things to exist in open space without making at least some connection to them? Do all the mental gymnastics you want, seems pretty brazen.

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            He won’t put Republicans in control he will put his family in control like in North Korea. He is afraid if he steps down he will go to jail, and also wants to keep power to keep making money and keep getting his narcissism fix.

            Like the “never vote again” quote, the “dictator on day one” quote has been pushed relentessly by the Democrats

            Dude we don’t even need that at all. Trump’s disloyalty to American democracy became crystal clear after the 2020 elections. He literally spent every single day from election day to January 6 plotting to overturn democracy, going from one scheme to the next until the final act was an outright coup attempt in a mob attack on our capital. That proves he is extremely disloyal to America and our core values and is a power mad neofascist.

            Trump is not even supposed to be allowed to run because the 14th amendment says Trump is now disqualified to be president. In Venezuela they made the mistake of allowing Chavez to run for president after he made a failed coup attempt. Chavez completely enshitified the country with a ‘project 2025’ type plan in which competent people in government were replace with incompetent loyalists. That was decades ago and since then millions of people have fled the country and those that remain behind have become impoverished. Venezuela used to be the most successful democracy in South America, but there haven’t been any free and fair elections since Chavez.

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                It’s about whether there will be another election in 2028 if he wins in 2024.

                No it is not. It’s about whether there will be another FREE AND FAIR election in 2028 if he wins in 2024. Venezuela just had an election. Chavez successor claimed victory but in reality he only got about 1/3 of the vote. The have been many elections but no free and fair elections since Hugo Chavez won in 1999 after he was allowed to run in spite of his failed coup attempt.

                Stepping down after winning two terms is not defeat, there is no reason for him to fight it.

                At a minimum he needs to make absolutely sure nobody can put him him prison for his crimes. He will turn the temperature up for 4 years so see if he can get away with an “emergency” to stay in power. If he can’t pull that off then at the absolute minimum he will rig the 2028 election so that either a family member or a loyalist comes after him to protect him from going to jail for his many crimes.

                It’s not like we don’t know have tons of historical examples from all over the world of one man coming to power and then rigging all future elections.

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                    They are both possibilities. We may never get to vote again. Or we may get to vote, but the outcome is predetermined by Treason Trump. They are both the effectively the same.

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        He did his damnest to fire the Attorney General but he had not purged the Justice Department of people with integrity who would overturn the election.

        Project 2025 is already recruiting henchmen to fill the departments.

        His Schedule F changes are explicitly designed to enable this.

        He is not joking when he says that he is going to seek revenge on his enemies.

        There will be no democracy if he is elected. This is not a drill.

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        WTF? Nobody who put the energy Treason Trump did into overturning democratic elections results in 2020 can possibly be loyal to America and our democratic values. How would anybody have the slightest doubts about Trump’s disloyalty at all after that? He literally spent every single day from election day to January 6 plotting to overturn democracy, going from one scheme to the next until the final act was an outright coup attempt in a mob attack on our capital. That proves he is extremely disloyal to America and our core values and is a power mad neofascist. Nobody who wants power that much should ever be near any power.

        Steve Bannon frankly confessed Trump’s Start the Steal conspiracy plans to a group of Trump insiders before the election.

        https://www.npr.org/2022/07/22/1112138665/jan-6-committee-hearing-transcript

        …audio from Trump advisor, Steve Bannon, surfaced from October 31st, 2020, just a few days before the Presidential election.

        Let’s listen. [Begin Videotape]

        STEVE BANNON: And what Trump’s going to do is declare victory, right? He’s going to declare victory, but that doesn’t mean he’s a winner. He’s just gonna say he’s a winner. The Democrats — more of our people vote early that count. Theirs vote in mail. And so they’re going to have a natural disadvantage and Trump’s going to take advantage — that’s our strategy.

        He’s gonna declare himself a winner. So when you wake up Wednesday morning, it’s going to be a firestorm. Also — also if Trump is — if Trump is losing by 10 or 11:00 at night, it’s going to be even crazier. Because he’s gonna sit right there and say they stole it. If Biden’s wining, Trump is going to do some crazy shit.