This matters because as humans, we are empathetic to other’s existence. To not be is literally psychopathic. Most humans who watch a dog being decapitated feel bad, because they are empathetic to the animals suffering. The same is not true for a carrot being chopped, as we understand carrots do not experience the aforementioned emotions.
The emotions are critical to the argument. If animals didn’t feel said emotions, they would be no greater than plants, and it would be morally permissible to kill and eat them.
Okay, given all your arguments, I knew I was talking to someone who was being facetious and arguing in bad faith, but figured, I’ve got some free time, why not refute them.
Now I realise how much of a waste of time it was. You’re very clearly just folding your arms and going “nuh uh”. Because I know you aren’t bewilderingly simple minded. I know you aren’t catastrophically brain dead.
So the argument “well ACTUALLY, um, carrots despite having no brain, no central nervous system, no nociceptors, um, well I think they feel pain, ergo I’m going to kill animals”, is so stupidly impotent, that you must be taking the piss.
I’m going to block you now, so you don’t waste any of your OWN time curdling up some other trolling comments, but for your sake, the animals sake, and the planets sake, try a plant based meal every now and again!
Is your moral framework so flimsy and easily swayable that you just blindly follow the majority? If the tides turned, and slavery became accepted by 50.1% of the population, you’d go “welp, most people are fine with it, guess I’ll get some slaves!”
What do you consider “harm”? If I killed you, have I “harmed” you? What a moronic assertion.
No to mention the catastrophic harm meat eating has on the environment, red meat being a 2A carcinogen, and numerous viruses borne from farming (ebola, COVID, mad cow disease, bird flu, swine flu), the creation of treatment resistant bacteria from overuse of antibiotics on animals etc etc.
Like, this might be then weakest argument I’ve ever, EVER heard someome use to defend meat eating. Good lord.
eating meat has no impact on the environment, it doesn’t create antibiotic resistant bacteria, and it doesn’t cause any harm. The modern production processes have led to some of those consequences. eating meat itself, though, does not.
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why does this matter? it reads like an appeal to emotion.
This matters because as humans, we are empathetic to other’s existence. To not be is literally psychopathic. Most humans who watch a dog being decapitated feel bad, because they are empathetic to the animals suffering. The same is not true for a carrot being chopped, as we understand carrots do not experience the aforementioned emotions.
The emotions are critical to the argument. If animals didn’t feel said emotions, they would be no greater than plants, and it would be morally permissible to kill and eat them.
you don’t know the carrots do not experience those emotions.
Okay, given all your arguments, I knew I was talking to someone who was being facetious and arguing in bad faith, but figured, I’ve got some free time, why not refute them.
Now I realise how much of a waste of time it was. You’re very clearly just folding your arms and going “nuh uh”. Because I know you aren’t bewilderingly simple minded. I know you aren’t catastrophically brain dead.
So the argument “well ACTUALLY, um, carrots despite having no brain, no central nervous system, no nociceptors, um, well I think they feel pain, ergo I’m going to kill animals”, is so stupidly impotent, that you must be taking the piss.
I’m going to block you now, so you don’t waste any of your OWN time curdling up some other trolling comments, but for your sake, the animals sake, and the planets sake, try a plant based meal every now and again!
eating a plant based meal won’t do help animals or the planet
i haven’t presented any arguments. i’ve only been rebutting yours.
your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith
this never happened.
oh thank god
this is a strawman.
we can be empathetic and still not believe it’s morally wrong to eat meat.
no, it is your responsibility to explain the moral framework you want someone to adopt.
I’ve explained my moral framework. Please read what I’ve written. I’ll explain it here again.
“Causing harm to sentient life for pleasure is immoral.”
Consider my responsibility fulfilled, thank you for playing.
Now YOU justify why it’s okay to cause suffering for your own pleasure.
you need to define basically every word in this sentence in order for me to even understand what you mean by it.
they aren’t fallaciously appealing to nature: theyre doing so in a reasonable way.
Damn I just got a bunch of replies from you, each single sentences, and each roughly boiling down to “no actually”.
The Appeal to Nature is a literal fallacy. Next!
people fall for fallacious reasoning because it mimics good reasoning. they were using good reasoning, not making a fallacy.
if most people are fine with something, that is good reason to think it is fine.
Did you… Read any of what I wrote?
Is your moral framework so flimsy and easily swayable that you just blindly follow the majority? If the tides turned, and slavery became accepted by 50.1% of the population, you’d go “welp, most people are fine with it, guess I’ll get some slaves!”
And you think MY morals are weird. My word.
I read what you said and you don’t seem to understand but nobody’s talking about a 50.1% issue here.
eating meat doesn’t cause harm
“no u”.
What do you consider “harm”? If I killed you, have I “harmed” you? What a moronic assertion.
No to mention the catastrophic harm meat eating has on the environment, red meat being a 2A carcinogen, and numerous viruses borne from farming (ebola, COVID, mad cow disease, bird flu, swine flu), the creation of treatment resistant bacteria from overuse of antibiotics on animals etc etc.
Like, this might be then weakest argument I’ve ever, EVER heard someome use to defend meat eating. Good lord.
eating meat has no impact on the environment, it doesn’t create antibiotic resistant bacteria, and it doesn’t cause any harm. The modern production processes have led to some of those consequences. eating meat itself, though, does not.