The former president ducked to the floor as shots rang out and was mobbed by Secret Service agents, while the sniper, who was killed by security forces, has been named as Thomas Matthew Crooks.
It seem like he was hit. Blood was on his right ear in one shot. Unclear if that’s because he was hit there or if he touched it after touching something else bloody.
He was escorted away on foot with secret service.
Edit: reports that one bystander and the shooter are now dead.
Claims the suspect was a man named Mark Violets. (This ID may be wrong no official sources covering this)
Edit: his base is going to be insanely fired up now. I’m genuinely scared about what’s going to happen now. I can see it already “the deep state tried to stop him and God saved Trump!” ugh.
I really hate the guy but if you’ve never had a near-death experience you wouldn’t understand that your logic is a bit weird in the moment. it takes more than a couple of moments for your brain to catch up with reality. his shoes are special thick lift shoes to make him seem way taller because he’s extremely vain. if he fell out of his awkward tall shoes when he ducked, he probably would have been preoccupied in the moment with not appearing short and weak (his true form) until the reality caught up to him. I don’t doubt at all that some sycophantic pr stooge was yelling into his earpiece to “look triumphant, look triumphant!!” when he was getting back up though.
Very unlikely, it’s an easy intuitive thing to think when emotions are high, and there is so much at stake with the election and division so high, that emotions are high as well.
Having a shooter miss you on purpose is something that is extremely risky, not easy to stage, and the US has enough armed people with emotions boiling over and little to lose. It is very much the overwhelmingly more likely scenario.
At this point, we know very little, but with what we do know at the moment - for this, you’d need:
someone willing to be taken out as the shooter, willing to or being tricked into shooting blanks, or an extremely elaborate plan to switch in a body (you also have to acquire and prepare somewhere) in front of witnesses and potential cameras
someone without blanks firing to explain the other bystanders dead from bullets
complete control over the subsequent investigation, to make sure no one looks into it properly, which would make all the people involved in the know
It is still an extremely, extremely unlikely scenario
Agreed. Further, [email protected] in this post commented that we can hear the rounds hitting before the report, and since blanks don’t hit, we can presume this was not faked.
Or just use a razor and actually cut your ear. I’d say someone took their shot and missed. He happened to turn his head at the last moment, or the shot would have made a solid hit.
The reports I am hearing say that at least two people besides the shooter are dead, which probably is where (some of) the other bullets went. Dude is a coward, but also a narcissist, I assume he noticed that the Secret Service had already killed the shooter, so immediately switched into “I am invincible” mode.
Again, I understand it as an intuitive reaction, but the world is a lot more chaotic than that, and huge conspiracies coordinated well like that are super, super rare. Waiting and being willing to adjust your position is a good thing to do right now. With more stuff coming out, the situation will become more clear.
CNN speculated that lots of those shots were the Secret Service returning fire. They are reporting on TV that you can hear them saying “Shooter down” and that it was then safe to move Trump. I couldn’t hear that, but someone on TV said they could hear that in the chatter.
Yeah this is not going to result in anything good. I keep thinking about what’s happened after Robert Fico got shot, basically how it’s being used as a confirmation of everything bad his supporters believe about his opponents and as a justification for further sliding into authoritarianism
Yeah, this is my real fear with all of this. Trump is definitely going to feed on his new victimhood to further rally his supporters and make them more extreme.
expressing their feelings about news media? Unless there’s someone with a blue hat somewhere behind the camera (or they were leading the perp away back there). All speculation here to be clear, not that it’s too critical of an issue in the larger scheme of the incident.
I’m finding it so bizarre to witness this mass cognitive dissonance where people can make the connection to Hitler’s rise to power, but not to the heroic act so many claim they would perform themselves if they had a time machine…
It’s almost like they need a few million marginalised people to die first, just to be sure…
Yeah but on the pics I saw his ear looked fine, it had blood on it, but still totally normal. I guess it might have been blood from someone nearby that hit him? If rumors are true someone got shot in the head, that tends to splatter some blood.
It seem like he was hit. Blood was on his right ear in one shot. Unclear if that’s because he was hit there or if he touched it after touching something else bloody.
He was escorted away on foot with secret service.
Edit: reports that one bystander and the shooter are now dead.
Claims the suspect was a man named Mark Violets. (This ID may be wrong no official sources covering this)
Biden condemns the act.
(I hate the source, F this guy) but here’s him being ushered off the stage after… https://x.com/stillgray/status/1812250467071885730
Edit: his base is going to be insanely fired up now. I’m genuinely scared about what’s going to happen now. I can see it already “the deep state tried to stop him and God saved Trump!” ugh.
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He’s a huge pussy.
The biggest. People are always telling him just how big of pussy he is. Maybe the greatest pussy of all time.
Also if I got shot or grazed, I wouldn’t be worried about my shoes.
I really hate the guy but if you’ve never had a near-death experience you wouldn’t understand that your logic is a bit weird in the moment. it takes more than a couple of moments for your brain to catch up with reality. his shoes are special thick lift shoes to make him seem way taller because he’s extremely vain. if he fell out of his awkward tall shoes when he ducked, he probably would have been preoccupied in the moment with not appearing short and weak (his true form) until the reality caught up to him. I don’t doubt at all that some sycophantic pr stooge was yelling into his earpiece to “look triumphant, look triumphant!!” when he was getting back up though.
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Very unlikely, it’s an easy intuitive thing to think when emotions are high, and there is so much at stake with the election and division so high, that emotions are high as well.
Having a shooter miss you on purpose is something that is extremely risky, not easy to stage, and the US has enough armed people with emotions boiling over and little to lose. It is very much the overwhelmingly more likely scenario.
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At this point, we know very little, but with what we do know at the moment - for this, you’d need:
It is still an extremely, extremely unlikely scenario
Agreed. Further, [email protected] in this post commented that we can hear the rounds hitting before the report, and since blanks don’t hit, we can presume this was not faked.
They literally did this plot on the Boys like a week ago.
Or just use a razor and actually cut your ear. I’d say someone took their shot and missed. He happened to turn his head at the last moment, or the shot would have made a solid hit.
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The reports I am hearing say that at least two people besides the shooter are dead, which probably is where (some of) the other bullets went. Dude is a coward, but also a narcissist, I assume he noticed that the Secret Service had already killed the shooter, so immediately switched into “I am invincible” mode.
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Again, I understand it as an intuitive reaction, but the world is a lot more chaotic than that, and huge conspiracies coordinated well like that are super, super rare. Waiting and being willing to adjust your position is a good thing to do right now. With more stuff coming out, the situation will become more clear.
Yeah, we’ll have to see for sure, but either way- this just won him an election.
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We heard a lot of shots, where did they all go?
Sounds like at least one bystander was killed based on another comment.
I wouldn’t be surprised that it was a collateral damage when SS was trying to kill the shooter.
CNN speculated that lots of those shots were the Secret Service returning fire. They are reporting on TV that you can hear them saying “Shooter down” and that it was then safe to move Trump. I couldn’t hear that, but someone on TV said they could hear that in the chatter.
There’s already pics of the shooter down.
That would make sense. The shooter it reportedly dead and supposedly also an attendee.
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Secret service shooting back for sure.
Yeah this is not going to result in anything good. I keep thinking about what’s happened after Robert Fico got shot, basically how it’s being used as a confirmation of everything bad his supporters believe about his opponents and as a justification for further sliding into authoritarianism
Yeah, this is my real fear with all of this. Trump is definitely going to feed on his new victimhood to further rally his supporters and make them more extreme.
Yep.
I fully expect at least several “retaliatory” attacks against democrats in the next week by rabid MAGAts.
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Non x source, c-span: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5123735/shots-fired-trump-rally
So at the end there…
expressing their feelings about news media? Unless there’s someone with a blue hat somewhere behind the camera (or they were leading the perp away back there). All speculation here to be clear, not that it’s too critical of an issue in the larger scheme of the incident.
This fucking idiot was being shot at, and he refuses to get off the stage so he can fist up rile the crowd?
Demanding his shoes was also interesting.
it used to be shoes off = dead.
Does he take them off during a speech and put them back on when he’s done? What’s the full shoestory?
NBC was reporting that the crowd had turned on the press, which may be what’s happening here… but again, speculation.
What happens next was going to happen eventually anyways. It’s been too late for a long time.
I’m finding it so bizarre to witness this mass cognitive dissonance where people can make the connection to Hitler’s rise to power, but not to the heroic act so many claim they would perform themselves if they had a time machine…
It’s almost like they need a few million marginalised people to die first, just to be sure…
Probably true.
It could easily be blood from falling to the ground or even getting jumped on by the secret service, old people bleed easily.
I’d be amazed if that was blood from a gunshot, if it was he missed dying by literally an inch.
You can see him grab his ear pretty clearly when it all starts, he got hit by something.
Yeah but on the pics I saw his ear looked fine, it had blood on it, but still totally normal. I guess it might have been blood from someone nearby that hit him? If rumors are true someone got shot in the head, that tends to splatter some blood.
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I didn’t see any videos posted yet. So it was just speculation on my part.
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It could have been a round that basically took apart his right ear, or took a chunk out of it.
Less than that
It looks like it’s coming both from his ear and his mouth. I’m guessing the mouth part is from being tackled by the Secret Service.
Edit: there’s a photo of him on the ground with the blood clearly coming from his ear. I think the only injury was the ear. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/possible-shots-fired-at-trump-rally-in-butler-pennsylvania/
I wonder whether that agent was just waiting for his chance to clock him good
The shooter is dead? Did someone just say this on live TV? Who?
Source pleaaaase.
Only bystander I’ve heard about being hit is Wolf interviewing a guy who says he saw a General with a gunshot wound to the head.
Well fuck. Yep, CNN is now saying the shooter is dead.
Guy was actually dumb enough to do it from inside the crowd, and he got murdered by them.
What a shitshow.
EDIT: Shooter is dead, but was not in the crowd. Was on a building’s roof outside the event and got obliterated by counter sniper fire.
He was reported to have been shot in the head, thus the so-far lack of images showing what may be quite a mutilated head.
Saw this from my wife