• jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    16
    ·
    5 months ago

    Pennsylvania and Michigan are the ones to watch. Biden cannot win without them. There literally is no path if Trump takes them.

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      21
      arrow-down
      19
      ·
      5 months ago

      And his support for genocide has already lost him Michigan.

      Yell what you want at me, centrists.

      • pandapoo@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        15
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        5 months ago

        What’s crazy is that your comment isn’t even endorsing any position, just stating a fact:

        Michigan has a large and diverse Muslim community and without them, Biden is unlikely to win the state.

        His policy on Israel’s war has lost him those votes, and that has been reflected in the polling since long before the debate.

        This isn’t a new development.

        • spujb@lemmy.cafe
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          5 months ago

          some of the vocally anti-biden members of lemmy have been really acerbic in the past and that has carried forward poorly to this date so now there is a lot of animosity towards them even as they are speaking truth.

          but yeah i’m really sad. biden’s policy on israel’s genocide cost him michigan, and his refusal to step back might just cost democrats the election. it all snowballs.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            8
            arrow-down
            7
            ·
            5 months ago

            some of the vocally anti-biden members of lemmy have been really acerbic in the past

            And over something as insignificant as genocide.

            • spujb@lemmy.cafe
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              10
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              5 months ago

              Sorry man but you have been pretty verbally unkind to me in the past over things not even related to geopolitics or life/death matters. I probably fully match your positions on geopolitics but don’t expect me to relent and say those behaviors have no consequences. :(

        • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          5 months ago

          What’s crazy is that your comment isn’t even endorsing any position, just stating a fact:

          I learned long ago that centrists can’t tell the difference.

      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        5 months ago

        Despite the fact that Trump openly calls Palestinians “vermin” and says that Israel isn’t exterminating them fast enough.

        While Biden naively supports Israel, not genocide directly.

        • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          12
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          5 months ago

          Despite the fact that Trump openly calls Palestinians “vermin” and says that Israel isn’t exterminating them fast enough.

          Great. He’s still losing Michigan even though Trump is worse.

          While Biden naively supports Israel, not genocide directly.

          He’s openly claimed it’s not a genocide. If he doesn’t know better, well, that tracks with his debate performance.

  • echo@lemmings.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    20
    arrow-down
    11
    ·
    5 months ago

    Meh fuck it… vote for the orange fascist and end democracy. Fucking morons.

    • Midnight@slrpnk.netOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      5 months ago

      I’d vote for a literal corpse with a (D), but there’s voters who are somehow undecided or ambivalent about fascism. The fact remains that the polling shows this hurts Biden in required swing states which is extremely concerning.

      • spujb@lemmy.cafe
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        5 months ago

        precisely. you can’t just ignore articles about the “moronic” things voters are saying, because those “morons” happen to each have a vote. pay attention to them or lose.

        • Queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          5 months ago

          The fact that New York Times of all things is now considered evil/propaganda/russian because they reported the factual news of “People aren’t enjoying Biden” and “The Debate was between a orange liar and a old man, neither won” people are wanting to boycott it.

          Like this is when Republicans stopped watching (briefly until they forgot) Fox News because Chris Christie started thanking Obama for taking care of the repairs after a Hurricane. The moment their favorite news source doesn’t repeat the same talking points as they want to hear, it’s now evil.

          Liberals just was a Democrat version of OAN, not a free press. John Oliver and John Stewart both got a lot of random hate mail from liberals for saying “Biden isn’t a new FDR.”

      • Sightline@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        5 months ago

        They should view the data and make an appropriate response instead of letting their ego get in the way.

    • anticolonialist@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      5 months ago

      Its funny how democrats actually believe we have any form of democracy. Your candidates are hand chosen by corporations and bankers, Your media is essentially state run propaganda, they have you fighting over which right wing oligarch will serve you this term, and they use voters to do their dirty work of keeping them in power

    • Sightline@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      5 months ago

      There’s already catastrophic levels of voter apathy and that’s your response?

      • anticolonialist@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        5 months ago

        Voter apathy is largely myth. What liberals refer to as voter apathy are disenfranchised voters that realize that the system does nothing to help them, they are poor with blue in the White House and Congress they are poor with red in the White House and Congress. One tells you he’s going to stab you in the back while the other one calls himself an ally while also stabbing you in the back.

      • echo@lemmings.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        5 months ago

        You don’t like apathetic sarcasm? I’m going to vote for the guy with one foot in the grave with the hopes we end up with the first female president relatively quickly.

  • spujb@lemmy.cafe
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    it’s been how many days and we are still doing the “downvote the news because i don’t like it” thing?

    people reacted to a thing and that reaction is going to have ripples, whether you think that’s a rational response or not. ignoring prescient issues is not campaign action; it’s ignoring prescient issues. and making you look just as bad as fox news et al being wholly submissive to trump.

    you look quite silly.

  • Psiczar
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    He’s gonna lose. He didn’t convincingly beat Trump last time and his feebleness now is going to cost them.

    It’s like watching a car crash in slow motion, you know it’s coming, and you just have to wait.