Make it so felons cannot run for president and resign immediately after.
If he did that Biden would be remembered as one of the greatest presidents ever.
Unfortunately Trump isn’t the real underlying problem; the republican party will churn out someone even worse who is not a convicted felon.
They still have Ron DeSantis. There’s a good chance he will run in 2028, if either Trump wins but the GOP won’t make it so that he can be re-elected indefinitely, or Trump loses and the cognitive decline will also be shown on him even more…
But wait until after the Republican convention.
That’s not how the ruling works.
Biden could go shoot Donald Trump (in broad daylight on 5th Avenue) and could not be prosecuted for it.
He cannot make new laws. That’s still Congress’s job, for now.
Make it so felons cannot run for president
How does immunity let him do that?
Doing that would require changing the constitution. Legally, this would let him go and scribble new words on the paper version of the constitution. He would be immune from the charge of vandalism. But, that wouldn’t actually change the constitution.
That’s a legislative thing, not a crime to just be immune for.
Biden has the chance to do the coolest thing. He wont because hes the most tepid person in the most tepid party in the country but, I’d love to be wrong.
Such a good word to describe Biden. Tepid. Like a beer that’s been sitting while i worked outside, or maybe the last sip of coffee. Not the best, but better than nothing.
I prefer milquetoast.
Not the best, but better than nothing.
We have very different opinions about the fundamental nature of “old, room temperature, completely flat” beer, if nothing else.
If you just worked for 4h in 30°C weather, believe me it is better than nothing.
Luckily, in this day and age, clean water is both cheap and plentiful. Unless you’re in one of the places where it isn’t. But in that case I doubt you have access to room temperature beer, either.
Wasn’t this not really true, historically? Didn’t most societies have a bunch of alcoholism specifically because it was one of the only forms of clean water available, or am I mistaken?
Well, I guess that’s why I said “in this day and age” and not “always.”
Luckily, in this day and age, clean water is both cheap and plentiful.
Not if we’re following the analogy. Warm beer, or bleach. Or dying of thirst. Those are your options.
That is a fair assessment
Better than bleach I guess
Yeah I’m still drinking that last sip of coffee, I don’t care if it’s cold. Apt word, apt description.
Especially when the alternative is a glass of poison. A warm, flat beer is not going to kill you, even though it might taste disgusting.
The worst thing is that you don’t get to choose whether you’re drinking the warm, flat beer or the poison. Depending on where you live your vote might not even matter. A bunch of uninformed and misinformed idiots in a few random states will decide for you which you’re drinking.
Supporting genocide and not stepping down when your opponent is a literal fascist and you’re unelectable, gets you compared with the last sip of coffee?
The coffee: Folgers
Tepid people wouldn’t have plagiarized so many speeches back when they thought no one would notice.
The worst part is that Biden and the Dems don’t have the balls to do anything like this or intentionally put this verdict to the test. Just clutch their pearls and not actually do anything.
Gotta take the high road while the other side takes a road so low it undermines the foundations of everything we are!
Biden already said as much with his response to the ruling.
Paraphrasing: “We must respect the (self imposed) limits to the presidency and I will do so. We can’t exactly trust the next guy to do so and that’s dangerous.” (Proceeds to wag finger as if that will do fuck-all)
You know how Chamberlain ended up with a reputation for being the coward that allowed Hitler to become powerful on the world stage? Biden is gambling on this fucking election that it will prevent him from going down in history as today’s version of that.
Except it will be more deserved for Biden because Chamberlain knew the Allies didn’t have the capability to stop Hitler with force when Hitler was making his early moves and was quietly building up the UK’s military while appeasing Hitler.
Everything that is about to come is as much at Biden’s feet as it is at Trump’s and all his fascist friends’.
Well, if trump wins, Biden will still be president for a few months after, so there’s still hope
Wrong. There absolutely is not.
I just can’t even…
Nobody in this administration actually wanted to prosecute Trump. That’s why the Stormy Daniels case had to go through NY State Court rather than the federal system. Biden’s USAs sat on these cases for nearly four years, after he took office. And they slow rolled them all through the various federal districts during the primary, with the hope that he’d lose the primary and the problem would just go away.
Everyone in the White House responsible for prosecuting Trump must have breathed a big sigh of relief when that SC verdict came down, because it gave them the perfect excuse to drop all the charges.
Democrats are like ‘Good Cops’. They’re not the ones actively murdering and beating and doing all the bad shit. But they do just kinda stand around while it happens and don’t do much.
We need them, for now, to at least not make things worse, but what we really need is to fucking change things from the bottom up. Unfortunately, I’m afraid it is likely too late. Such change will take two or three decades, and that’s if, in this next election, enough people actually rally together to start doing something, and continue doing something for the next thirty years.
We need them, for now
Surrounded by tigers, but don’t worry I have this rock that I was told scares away all the tigers.
Nobody in this administration actually wanted to prosecute Trump
“Tonight on Hannity: Biden LITERALLY kicked down the door at the DOJ and held a gun to their heads FORCING them to attack poor poor sad innocent Donald Saint Trump for made up crimes!”
Reality doesn’t matter anymore
Neat. Then we all panic. Force the rule change back and Biden goes out a martyr hero instead of a lackluster shill who slowly shambled his way towards oppression for his constituents.
What stopping them is that Democrats are too weak and timid to do anything.
They are simply complicit.
The mask is off. We officially cannot trust our government anymore.
Never could
don’t mix up weakness with decency though
If you play by the rules but your opponent doesn’t, you will always lose.
yes, but only if the oponent doesn’t get penalized and gets away with it.
History and simple logic shows that if you try to out-fascist the fascist, some sort of fascism always wins.
Not mutually exclusive…
Immune from criminal prosecution*
The state AGs can and will still challenge any and all such executive orders.
But if Biden hypothetically were to kidnap, beat, or murder supreme court justices or political opponents, then that’s another story.
Yep, EO’s are still subjected to judicial reviews.
This ruling doesn’t let Biden write new laws. But, he could put out an EO and then use force to enforce it. He could put one out, that then gets overruled, then he could just claim that the justice department was wrong.
This is so fucking stupid
A brilliant kind of stupidity, though. They know this won’t hold up, they’re just trying to buy time so Trump doesn’t spend part of his campaign behind bars.
Even if he were prosecuted, his lawyers could claim he was too senile to know what he was doing, and it’s not like he’s got enough years left in him to worry about seeing the end of it.
But he’s not too senile to run for president? Pick one.
I picked long ago. I just finally found a potential upside.
As in he could do it without consequence, other story?
Yes. To clarify for you:
One story is he does regular legislative actions, the states can contest it
another story is he does something criminal as official business, nobody can do shit about it
Maybe Biden should appoint a mob boss as president for a couple of weeks
Just wait until November, you’ll be doing that anyway 😉
I wish Dems had that dog in them to fight, even if this was possible. The fact they still go around calling modern day GOP their friends and colleagues says more than enough.
They’re all on the same corporate payrolls, dems are and have been nothing more than controlled opposition.
Cowardice, the same thing that stopped him from packing the court on his first day.
To some extent, the Democrats are playing chicken with Trump’s eventual re-election. They don’t want to actually “seize” power in the same way that Republicans do. They want the pendulum to swing back and forth so they can keep getting re-elected and keep playing that old game of kickball with Republicans. Dems win some. Republicans win some. Everybody gets to complain about the opposition and do nothing. That Republicans seem to be updating their modus operandi from playing kickball to playing what seems to be “king of the hill, but with knives” has not quite dawned on the Democratic party collectively yet.
For real. Biden could seemingly imprison some republicans from both chambers of Congress, and secure a majority in both chambers. From there have congress pass legislation making felons incapable of running for office, and also allowing for all actions a president does liable to prosecution.
You’re thinking too small, he could fucking have Alito and Thomas thrown in jail or hanged if he were so inclined, I’m not saying he should have them hanged, but he totally could based on this ruling
I’m saying it, and I’m saying don’t stop with Alito and Thomas.
If he were to do that he’d have to do it like this to save the democracy, do the damn thing maybe add his electoral opponent and a few others in, expand and fill the court, have them reverse the decision, then abdicate, turn himself in, and die a criminal hero
Alito, Thomas, Cavanaugh, Barrett, Desantis, Abbott, Trump.
Is that your list?
Nah. I mean if Biden wants to go on an anti-fascist rampage I won’t stop him, but I think the six “Yes” votes will suffice. They’re directly responsible and provably corrupt, they should be the only ones to suffer the consequences of their false ruling.
That’s Putin tactics
Which he taught to the republicans, which they just promulgated into law in the highest court.
Why is it the dems problem? Republicans started this game. Granted, this is the same game that led to the splitting of the roman empire due to repeated assassinations of the emperor, but once the game has begun you can only play or be played.
Turn the other cheek.
Of course Biden shouldn’t do anything heinous, but he definitely should do something earthshaking against either Republican party or the Supreme Court just to make a point.
Thing is, this tool the SCOTUS has given the POTUS only works for fascists. Even if Biden did house arrests it would likely blow up in our face.
Perfect opportunity to do something, get impeached (including dems) and rally behind a new canditate.
What intern is going to give Biden a blow job?
Huevos
When you risk your own life, you’ve got balls.
When you risk other people’s lives without their permission, you’re an asshole.
At this point you be a bit of an asshole to save the fucking country…
Acting like a responsible adult and voting Blue isn’t being an asshole.
Letting Trump win because of your ‘strong moral compass’ is being a giant one.
Biden will only abuse his presidential powers in a Trump way for real important matters.
Such as bypassing congres to send bombs to israel for Genocide.
Congress, of course, is totally concerned about Gazans. that’s why they voted not to release the number of deaths! /s
The president can’t bypass congress for elections, because congress/states have control. You can for the military, because it’s an executive department.
The president can’t do anything unless it’s Trump. Then he can do everything.
Biden can appoint more supreme court justices and play the same dirty game for America.
There 100% are legal loopholes to abuse if Biden wants to. But apparently he only wants to abuse those to support Genocide. After that he suddenly grows “morals”.
An obstructionist Congress?
What’s stopping him now from dissolving congress? From sending them all back home and requiring governors send new representatives. This situation is the LITERAL slippery slope Republicans have cried about for decades
The thing is that they would just not dissolve and say he has no power to do so. Biden is immune from prosecution for this, but he doesn’t have power to dissolve congress and would ignore him.
What he could do is say that congress (or Trump or SCOTUS for that matter) are a threat to the nation and then have them assassinated or imprisoned. Based on this ruling, he’d be immune from prosecution for this act and would effectively dissolve them by force.
The fact that it almost incentives the president to take the most extreme and authoritarian action is the scariest part of this ruling to me.
They doubt that Biden is willing to be a murderer, and hope that Trump will be.
So what you are saying is that biden needs to pull the trigger on an assassination?
For legal reasons my answer is no.
First day of the next Supreme Court term is the first Monday in October, well before election day.
Let’s have Biden call for a giant mob to show up in Washington and have them raid the place. He can promise to keep the police away, and sign a blanket pardon for all acts.
See how fast the Congress changes that law.
What does any of that have to do with presidential immunity? He could have done that at any time if he wanted to, but he doesn’t want to because he deeply believes in the system, and because people wouldn’t do it even if he called for it to happen.
Dissolving congress isn’t an executive branch power. Congress can just ignore something like that.
The president can’t just will that kind of a thing into existence.
Having the FBI arrest half of them and hold them indefinitely is within his authority, he just has to argue they’re terrorists. He could say every member of congress who made statements defending the January 6 insurrection is a terrorist and send them to gitmo. He’s more likely to come after the squad though.
Reminder that CPAC proudly declared “we are all domestic terrorists”.
Every member of congress that was part of the attempt to overthrow rhe election is an insurrectionist and should be detained or in jail by now.
Shooting a gun is well within the president’s power. If he can shoot a gun with no consequences, Congress doesn’t have the ability to ignore shit.
The President is also the ranking member of the military and could use the military to halt the Congress meeting, since he would be immune. It would also mean that they could not impeach or remove him because he is immune, and you cannot charge someone with immunity.
He could murder congresspeople, but he can’t dissolve congress.
As an official act you direct the FBI to detain a portion of congres on… let’s see… suspected treason. Then you have congres vote. Isn’t this how dictators do it?
Of course that’s not how dictators work because that’s an explicitly legal action in the most democratic society on earth. No way that could be wrong.
the most democratic society on earth
Wait… do you really think the US is the most democratic society on earth?
I’m being very sarcastic. However I hear that line in earnest from politicians on the news on both sides of the aisle.
What’s stopping him is “civility politics,” even when he’s been handed a path to thoroughly purge corruption and fascism from the supreme court, he won’t.
The GOP has shown they do not care at all about civility, and will abuse this rule.
To not play by the same rules when people’s lives are at stake is a deep moral failure, and shows that politics are simply a game for the DNC when faced with a GOP that doesn’t care.
I’m not so sure it’s civility politics that is limiting him here. I doubt this nakedly corrupt and partisan court would actually side with his administration when it comes to agreeing that his acts are indeed official. Especially if said acts don’t fit with the Federalist Society’s ideology.
If he doesn’t get re-elected that’s a different story, and he is realistically too old to face major consequences for his actions… so it would be great if he would at least have special forces rough these guys up a little bit to make a point about the necessary limits on executive power.
So, Fat Orange Clown, how is “hiding documents you shouldn’t have as a non-president” an official act? How is anything done as “not the president” an official act?
RIP
That’s not what they said iirc. Now everything has to be presented to determine if it was an official act, if so immunity, if not no immunity.
It’s a very half hearted way to look like they’re backing trump but actually throwing him to the wolves since it’s not an official act and everyone knows it. It would similarly reverse clintons impeachment since lying to Congress was as president and therefore an official act.
It would similarly reverse clintons impeachment since lying to Congress was as president and therefore an official act.
No, this decision wouldn’t affect that at all. This decision covers criminal prosecution, not impeachment. Now, if Clinton had been indicted, tried, and convicted of perjury for lying to Congress after Bush was elected in 2000, then it would be unwinding that conviction, if it was determined that it was an official act as president.
I don’t think that actually matters, if a president is immune from serious criminal prosecution the same reasoning would make them immune from civil.
I don’t understand what you’re saying here.
Impeachment isn’t a criminal process. It’s also not civil. Impeachment is it’s own thing, outside of the judicial system. A prosecutor can’t impanel a grand jury and have the grand jury impeach an elected or appointed official. If Clinton had been both impeached and removed from office, this decision would do nothing to affect that.
On the other hand, if he had left office, and then had been criminally charged for lying to COngress, while he was sitting as President, and was convicted, then this decision would be unwinding it.
Impeachment is by definition civil. If I can shoot you in the face and get immunity then I can certainly lie to Congress. They’re pretty literally saying it’s absolute immunity.
“High crimes and misdemeanors” the president is immune to them all now. Criminal, civil, administrative, doesn’t matter with absolute immunity comes absolute power.
It’s not a civil or criminal matter. Impeachment is inherently a political process. This ruling has near-zero bearing on it.
It’s civil the clause even specifically refers to civil officers, it’s a civil process like every other process don’t by the government. There is no such thing as a political process.
Biden should order assassination of the MAGA justices
That wouldn’t be official.
Now if the orange hate-crime declares assassination of AOC, Biden, Hilary Clinton, the entire Obama family, Jon Stewart, and I dunno, Steve-O, that would be official.
Because the SC decides what is official.
Oh yeah, they also decided who won the election, btw. Do vote, it will be an excellent point added to documentaries made about the collapse of the US of how people voted against.
If the SCOTUS decides what’s official but they’ve already been assassinated, then just appoint new ones who will say it was official and reverse the decisions on presidential immunity and Roe.
Sure, totally. That gonna happen? Because with Biden in power, mostly there’s a lot of excuses about how they’ll totally do stuff next time.
While the hate-group that are out of power have somehow set it up so that they can have absolute authority on the next election that they decide the outcome of
Nope they’re definitely not going to do it :(
