Need to make a primal scream without gathering footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh facts of Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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    So this is apparently something AI companies now think is smart to advertise with. Donā€™t know whoā€™d willingly consider this something targeted at them, but here we are.

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      I rewrote the ad so they can lean into their marketing strategy.

      Hard book have hard word and make head hurt, AI make book easy! More book read for you. No hard word. This good idea!

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      the part of me that sometimes spends an hour just choosing the right words for the couple of paragraphs Iā€™m writing is fucking screaming

      ā€¦

      there is a screaming noise that comes from me while I write

      thanks magibook!

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        canā€™t wait for this shit to show up in usage among people who have english as an additional language at different level of fluency to their primaries. totally donā€™t see it causing a cascade clusterfuck in communication and comprehension.

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          thereā€™s already a strain of this out there, with a lot of english-non-first students using LLMs to ā€œmake their work sound more polishedā€. similar as the strain using it for CVs etc

          ran across a great thread on fedi a while back, will see if I can find it

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      Itā€™s good that theyā€™re offsetting their advantages in the marketplace of money by actively crippling themselves in the marketplace of ideas.

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      PrimalPoly was a sort of semi regular of the old sneerclub, so I can tell you a lot more than that.

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          I have such sights to show you And more

          About half of evopsychgoogleā€™s tweets are also about him and his wife.

          He and his wife (also a piece of work) have a very strange poly relationship btw, it seems to be more a constant dominance struggle than a loving poly relationship.

          And you know how a lot of these people when faced with the slightest pushback turn further and further right. 2013

          90% of the weird evo psych women on their period things you ever heard about, also him. (And while I donā€™t get the American fascination with strippers/strip clubs, I do get it is an important macho man culture thing for American men to do things with/around strip clubs so cudos for him that he managed to trick the university into sponsoring his visits).

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    Not sure which sub a heartwarming story of Nazis shooting their own dicks off goes under, but: Nina Power of Compact gets called a nazi. Sues for defamation. In discovery, produces extensive facts not just supporting Nazi ideas but calling herself a Nazi. Loses so hard she just declared bankruptcy.

    there has been no media coverage of this, but hoo boy does there need to be

    EDIT: ohhh itā€™s the fuckin LD50 gallery, straight up NRX. Judgement, PDF

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        we have scientifically ascertained that this is in fact that rare correct use case for the following emoji sequence: šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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      there are some phenomenal whoppers just in the opening paragraphs of that article, holy shit

      this is gonna make great piecemeal reading today!

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      hahahaha happy garbage day everybody

      The logs also show Ms Power claiming that ā€œthe social disapproval for ā€˜racismā€™ is a psyop to stop people realising that there are alien and fairy racesā€, and that ā€œblack and white were alien races and very differentā€.

      wait, is believing in fairies as an adult a weird racist thing? fuck, itā€™d kind of make sense if the people Iā€™ve known who just causally slipped ā€œby the way fairies are realā€ into casual conversation were doing a dogwhistle I didnā€™t pick up on

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        one day Iā€™ll find a way to shoehorn our experience with a Waldorf School into a sneer.

        In summary, fairy-themed fascism can be tied back into the whole Helena Blavatsky, Rudolph Steiner, esoteric Hitlerism shtick. You most commonly get ambushed with it when dealing with fallen hippies, but it is diffusing into the wider online right via weird 4chan things.

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        see also all the TERFs yesterday loudly coming out in support of Power and her Nazi revelation

        the TERF to nazi pipeline is a doorway, or perhaps just walking over to the other side of the same room

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          the TERF to nazi pipeline is a doorway,

          It is funny how mad TERFs get when you mention they are saying the same things as neo-nazis, and then a few days later another TERF who is also a natzi is revealed again.

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        @self

        This is one of those David Icke things where youā€™re not sure if reptilians/fairies/aliens mean reptilians/fairies/aliens or if theyā€™re some kind of code or euphemism.

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          If you always bet on ā€œeverything confusing that weirdos say is a euphemism or proxy for Jews or Black peopleā€, you will beat the house. Canadians, lizards, trans people, common punctuation marks, apparently also the seelie court I guess.

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          having unfortunately known several David Icke fans: itā€™s always veiled antisemitism, and the veil gradually disappears the more you let them talk

          e: yes, the area I live in is teeming with various flavors of conspiracy nut, why do you ask

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            I vaguely remember his original car crash on Wogan after he went loopy and it was barely veiled antisemitism even then - lizard people and the like

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              ā€œah ah but he wrote books - that surely canā€™t be the works of a person frothing in racism!ā€ is something Iā€™ve heard from a surprising number of people Iā€™ve met

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                if racism made people illiterate every facebook group and every youtube comment section would look completely different

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        I know someone whoā€™s a practicing christian and has said theyā€™ve seen angels

        technical, intelligent person on all fronts otherwise. I have ā€¦ not pushed matters

        (e: not claiming this person I reference is racist, more that Iā€™ve heard some really fucking kooky shit in many spectra, so I donā€™t know how much of a heuristic that sort of thing is by itself. the fairies thing may be a bit more concrete/direct - gonna have to try test it on some flaming racists sometime)

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          I think the connection isnā€™t with belief in the supernatural, but with the specific belief that there are things around us that look like people but arenā€™t people. I can easily see how the latter at minimum makes one very susceptible for racism.

          If people start believing that androids are a real thing (not the OS, human like robots), itā€™s only a matter of time before people will be accused of being androids.

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          given some of the other things Iā€™ve seen from the guardian, not sure that wouldā€™ve necessarily been a contraindicator

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            @froztbyte

            I mean they didnā€™t seem very fashy at first. The later ones (2018, when she was fashy on the down-low ) started to get TERFy but earlier (2010-2014) it was all "the police arenā€™t your friendā€ and stuff about government trying to restrict the right to protest, etc.

            (I looked over her Guardian contributions after reading about the bankruptcy etc in this thread.)

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          she had a piece in The Quietus in 2018, but by 2020 they had kicked a writer out for being pals with DC Miller, her co-plaintiff in this case

          (just for confusion one of the Quietus guys is a different Luke Turner)

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        causally slipped ā€œby the way fairies are realā€

        wait, what? What sort of context? Multiple people? FFS TELL

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          so I think I must just have one of those faces cause itā€™s been something that multiple former friends have revealed to me, and itā€™s usually a weird show of trust? and itā€™s always something like ā€œyou know, I just think fairies must be real, like theyā€™ve got to be out there? you know?ā€

          and in all cases Iā€™ve gone ā€œā€¦oh thatā€™s coolā€ and mentally earmarked that person as ā€œdo not trust with heavy machineryā€

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            just remembered someone i met decades ago going on and on about spiritualism and ESP and just happened to drop in their own massive racism, thereā€™s definitely a type

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              The crystals to anti-vaxx to full-blown fascism pipeline is real and I have more than a few cousins deep in that KKK hole. Hate to be a science brodude, but all the spiritualism stuff can be a gullibility magnet for those prone to self radicalisation (the bad type)

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            yeah i have one of those faces too (tall, blue eyes, Danish cheekbones), disconcerting number of nazis who wanted me to be in with them

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                  Iā€™ve never had the full on ā€œletā€™s be nazis togetherā€ invite but Iā€™ve had several people launch unprompted into ā€œnow that itā€™s just us white folks we can talk for realā€ mode. internally they must have been like ā€œI see white skin, we are clear for takeoff, 54321ā€

                  funnily enough it hasnā€™t happened since I became visibly trans

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                  ja that can happen/s here too

                  presumably your bones comprehend all the non-weather reasons that .au is such a popular za expat destination

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            i mean, i have a friend who is literally a UFO religion believer, but theyā€™re decent and politically good and trustworthy and present as normal-English, so

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              see occasionally you meet a UFO person and theyā€™re normal and you only find out about their interest in UFOs because itā€™s the reason they want to get into radio or whatever and they want to see if you can recommend them a setup to communicate with satellites and other stuff in orbit. in effect, their UFO hobby is essentially a modified radio/birdwatching hobby thatā€™s hopefully driving them to learn more about the world around them

              but much more often you meet a UFO person and hear the absolute worst thing youā€™ve heard all month while looking for an escape route, without making it too obvious because youā€™re fairly certain theyā€™re armed. they will later go on the internet and call you an NPC who refuses to wake up because you wouldnā€™t discuss lizard people with them.

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                you only find out about their interest in UFOs because itā€™s the reason they want to get into radio or whatever and they want to see if you can recommend them a setup to communicate with satellites and other stuff in orbit

                you know, I donā€™t know if Iā€™ve actually run into this kind of conversation. I donā€™t think I have. or if I almost did, I fairly likely applied a conversation logic-shortcircuit way before it got there (because of ambient red flag count). but fuck me, if I donā€™t know exactly the kind of person youā€™re referring toā€¦ :|

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                  also

                  without making it too obvious because youā€™re fairly certain theyā€™re armed. they will later go on the internet and call you an NPC who refuses to wake up

                  ZA has many problems (and oh christ could I wax lyrical), but thank fuck I do not live in fucking eaglecountry

                  itā€™s a whole fucked-up 'ole dynamic when you need to ā€œwatch your backā€ in the most very literal sense because you didnā€™t eat some bozoā€™s shit :|

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      Wonder how the lawyers reacted when they got that treasure trove filled with stolen nazi gold during discovery.

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          They will certainly win a lot of drinks in any ā€˜who has had the dumbest clientsā€™ contests.

          ā€˜And then we found the ā€œIā€™m definitely a Nazi now lolā€ messageā€™ is a great punchline for a dumbest client ever joke

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          I read the judgement quite carefully and it makes no reference at all to the discovery material. the only evidence it demonstrates awareness of is public or is testimony

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    the faster training data gets polluted the faster ai companies get fucked. therefore, I propose the deliberate creation of unmarked ai compost piles on reddit and discord: ā€œcommunitiesā€ managed so as to minimize visibility to humans while generating large quantities of shit data

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      We could just mix corporate and bot responses to all content at a 99:1 ratio so the AI companies struggle to tell the difference. Also no need to do anything, as this is running on reddit right now.

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        if this were running you would be unlikely to know about it. the novel part is not spamming reddit, itā€™s trying to do so strictly to target ai companies, without humans ever seeing the result

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    Couldnā€™t find the way to turn this into a pithy blog post so just dumping it here:

    does anyone else feel that the rationalists want a future of a billion trillion virtual humans, each and every one with an immutable gender bit set?

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      it is a little entertaining to hear them do extended pontifications on what society would look like if we had pocket-size AGI, life-extension or immortality tech, total-immersion VR, actually-good brain-computer interfaces, mind uploading, etc. etc. and then turn around and pitch a fit when someone says ā€œokay so imagine if there were a type of person that wasnā€™t a guy or a girlā€

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        Shouldnā€™t they be fans of The Culture? And didnā€™t The Culture have people changing gender for any reason (including curiosity), and it was accepted?

        (It was years since I read those books, so I could confuse it with something else.)

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          Shouldnā€™t they be fans of The Culture?

          I always assume that a large part of Rationalism is intellectual masturbatory contrarianism. (Aka contrarianism to make yourself feel smarter and better. See also how important it is for some of them that Sneerclub is a bunch of losers with no accomplisments (We donā€™t even blog!)). So I doubt it.

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            holy fuck, Yud criticizing Banks is fucking exhausting, and I keep getting angry seeing this barely readable shithead try to tear down the work of a sci-fi author he clearly doesnā€™t like because people keep bringing up the Culture novels as a counter to his horseshit, and because theyā€™re more fun and fulfilling to read than Yudā€™s nonsense ever will be

            so I tapped out early and quote mined the 400 years part:

            They live, in perfect health, for generally around four hundred years before choosing to die (I donā€™t quite understand why they would, but this is low-grade transhumanism weā€™re talking about).

            yud. buddy. that novel explains why they would in the same chapter that describes a Culture citizen going through with the voluntary decision to die. itā€™s boredom. the major motive force behind almost everything the Culture does is boredom, because its constituent beings want for nothing. the civilization as a whole knows that existence for human-like beings becomes intensely, painfully boring (just like reading yudā€™s output!) around the 400 year mark, and the Culture has both removed any stigma around voluntarily ending a painful existence and any reason to prolong it past your own comfort. after that, you can enjoy an afterlife of being acausally pampered by every networked Culture Mind.

            thereā€™s even a version of the voluntary death and afterlife process for entire galactic civilizations called Subliming, where every natural and artificial lifeform in your civilization becomes a singular being of pure energy and transitions into another dimension. just like with uploaded organic beings, Sublimed civilizations can still influence our dimension, but almost always donā€™t care to. the Culture is actually considered somewhat tacky by other galactic civilizations for being at a fairly late stage in its development without Subliming. they know how to do it, so chances are they just arenā€™t bored enough yet.

            yud omits this (probably, Iā€™m not gonna go back and check), but anyone who chooses an infinite existence at the cost of their own sanity is considered a fucking weirdo who should be sneered at. the Culture isnā€™t gonna end your existence (they donā€™t do murder, and thereā€™s a possibly even bigger stigma against forcibly altering a sentient beingā€™s mind) but theyā€™re also not gonna actively enable you to self-harm.

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              Subliming

              Somebody in the comments points this out and he gets annoyed with this as some sort of literary device to not do the hard transhumanist work or something.

              Which is odd, as subliming is fine as if this wasnā€™t there humans minds and mind minds could do a singularity style intelligence explosion afterwards you couldnā€™t describe things because of the singularity style event. And Banks wrote science fiction which is always about humans, and not ā€˜the period after beings become so powerful we cannot really tell what is going on anymore as the increase of intelligence has reached infinityā€™

              Subliming sidesteps this problem because it wants to be interesting fiction, and not weird gobbledygook of incomprehensible alien minds. Yud basically forgets that The Culture is science fiction written for real human beings who live now.

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            But even that was optional right, it was just the cultural standard, nobody forced them to do it.

            It gets even odder in a way, iirc the more destructive megolomaniacs (or cult leaders or whatever) who couldnā€™t really accept that they are not allowed to use up massive amounts of resources/lives of other people were kindly suggested to play out these fantasies in VR, which I assume works on standard science fiction logic that it can be sped up, so those 400 years can stretch a long time in the computonium. (So the culture includes the LW virtual lives fantasy).

            (Iā€™m also pretty sure Yud is wrong about the Culture, iirc living by your strength certainly is a thing, it just has a fallback where you donā€™t die if you fail via the robots etc of the Culture (And I think even that could be turned off in most cases)).

            Anyway the article linked, and the conversation with the straw SF fan (who is heated while he stays calm) says more about Yud than the Culture.

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            select the Banks extract, pass through wc: 1677

            select the yudā€¦emanation, do same: 13442

            at this stage itā€™s likely the basilisk will torture him purely for entropic revenge. information-theoretic retribution.

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              entropic revenge. information-theoretic retribution.

              Thereā€™s a metal ballad in there, I swear.

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                other album track titles:

                • cascading infinity
                • which mirror is me? [am I? - interlude]
                • the quintillionth heartbreak
                • lies of being
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            What is it with Rats extolling The Player of Games above other Culture novels? Itā€™s the one HN likes best too. Itā€™s probably the only one Iā€™ve not re-read. Maybe itā€™s how the main character is kinda seduced by the parody of patriarchal capitalism in the culture heā€™s coerced to infiltrate.

            Personally I think Use of Weapons is the best one.

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              i would think they didnā€™t read it carefully, and/or until the end, and donā€™t realise that ultimately itā€™s gurgehā€™s revulsion at azadā€™s societal rules, and him fully embracing the cultureā€™s values, that allows him to win and burn the empire to pieces.

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                Obvsly youā€™ve read the novel more than I have considering your nickā€¦ I might have to give it another go.

                OTOH Iā€™d rather re-read the non-M novels first, especially Espedair Street.

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                  tbh i used mawhrin-skel just because i needed a new drone, and twitter (at the time) bonked my skaffen-amtiskaw persona ā€“ i named the murdering british soldier that cannot be named in the united kingdom (david james cleary); i definitely value other culture books more than player of games. :-)

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      Case in point, or the exception that proves the rule: Is being a trans woman (or just low-T) +20 IQ?

      Warning: This post might be depressing to read for everyone except trans women.

      Actual warning: This post and the comments is a particularly bad example of rationalists being red-pilled sexists. Even by rationalist standards. Donā€™t say I didnā€™t warn you.


      But yeah this goes way back and is really enmeshed in their worldview. Robin Hanson has been blogging terrible takes about gender for almost 20 years on Overcoming Bias, which Lesswrong split off from.

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        Itā€™s so cute (euphemism for concerning) how their image of the average trans woman is a white computer science rationalist poster and not, like, a South American sex worker or something.

        Why didnā€™t evolution give females big heads if it would make them all geniuses? Another anecdote. My sister has a big head. She was valedictorian in high school I think. She hit her head one day in middle school during gym class by running into a wall. She also fell off a bike and hit her head in high school. I have never hit my head and I think the main reason is that my arms are strong enough to catch myself. So maybe the big headed women would-be-ancestors fell and hit their heads.[1]

        Classics of Reason

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      Yeah, in my opinion Slatestarcodex also said something like that, that the idea of Rationalism lead to transphobia. (others read that part as being more anti-transphobia, or with a more positive slant re Rationalism/Scott).

      Not a huge surprise if you fetishise math and numbers, and miss the point of seeing like a state.

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    Every day I become more convinced that this acct is an elaborate psyop being run by Yann LeCun to discredit doomers. Nobody could be this gullible IRL, right?

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        I went to the study, and thatā€™s the global market size for all sex toys annually, and just eyeballing another chart, butt plugs might be 10% of that. So butt plugs are around $3 or $4 Billion. On the bright side, unlike AI safety, butt plugs actually serve a function.

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        Meatloaf didnā€™t anticipate the budgetary implications of enlisting us all in the Armies of the Night. Thus, humanity was ill-prepared when Skynet attackedā€¦

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      Oh my god. The AI chatbots which were designed to mimic human writing are saying stuff exactly like the sci-fi stories I read online. They must be alive.

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      Amazing.

      I also remember another time people did the 'let two AIā€™s (no idea what time it was at the time, certainly not an LLM, some other ML technique) talk to each other, but in a actual production setting (E:I was wrong on the setting, see the article for better info->), the Facebook/Meta one (First link I could find on google, didnā€™t read it, just a way to find out more for people who never heard about it). But then it started to produce gibberish/ā€˜their own languageā€™. Of course this was also a sign of it ā€˜waking upā€™.

      And I note again that in the LLM experiment, the ā€˜AGIā€™sā€™ are still keeping perfectly fine to the bounds of the experiment, even if they do or do not directly reference the researcher. They still play into the fiction, as talking to the researcher about the other AI is part of the fiction. It would be more interesting if they did something unexpected than regurgitate video game ingame notes.

      static dot dot dot emergency dot dot dot shutdown

      lol

      ā€˜multiple realitiesā€™

      Come on, I have written similar things while roleplaying as an AI. The first is useful when you need a quick break to go to the toilet, and the second is a good excuse because you made a mistake a real fictional AI couldnā€™t make.

      E: also funny that they worry about the shoggoth behind the friendly face and then get freaked out when the AIā€™s talk in normal science fiction fluff to each other, and it doesnā€™t become incoherently weird. (like the example above).

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      Iā€™ve sat and had beer with someone (whoā€™s worked in the space but not LLMs) who read the Bitter Lesson and got real into the idea of humans ā€œjust being universal function approximatorsā€ and had wholesale bought into the idea that we should throw everything we possibly can into this shit, no resource cost or requirement is too high or too uncertain, that it would definitely be the right thing to so

      so I can tell you without no uncertainty that there are definitely people who buy into it

      I poked the conversation gently, to see how far the conviction went. it was pretty comprehensively bought-in. was a somewhat surprising experience tbh

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          that was the response. and this is a person with exposure to (and their own undertakings in) creative works

          it was a pretty wild conversation tbh

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    https://matduggan.com/a-eulogy-for-devops/

    Possibly interesting blog post about what the idea of ā€œdevopsā€ promised, and how it failed to deliver. With any luck, the ā€œgetting back to basicsā€ thing will actually happen, instead of people imagining they are google and building nightmares out of kubernetes.

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    Off Topic: Politcs

    spoiler

    Best of luck to our folks in the UK, enjoy the Tory tears!

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      I doubt any of you are following Dutch politics. But it is day 3 of the new (far right) cabinet, and day 1 and 2 were already a clown show. I think today they are going on ā€˜vacationā€™ (summer recess), so nothing will be done. ā€œLekker gewerkt jongensā€

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        Sounds like a real ā€œDog caught the carā€ situation. Do you think theyā€™ll be able to cause much permanent damage to the institutions before they get turfed out?

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          Sadly I think they will do quite a lot of damage, but most of it is by just not solving any issues which are issues currently (and pretending non-issues, like immigration, are huge problems). They donā€™t really seem competent enough yet to do real damage. (yeah, Iā€™m including Wilders, who has been a politician all his life in this list). But a lot of damage has already been done. A lot of racists feel like they are allowed to be racist again for example. (a similar thing you heard coming from France, with the current rise of Le P, people going ā€˜ah soon we are going to bash the gays againā€™).

          Oddly our cabinet has always been mostly rightwing basically (at least the past 14 years), so it is really weird to see the far right pretend like the left has had any power.

          A lot of the dumb plans also cannot be done because of the EU. So a lot of people who voted for the current parties (like the radicalized bougie farmers) will be hurt a lot, so it will get worse later after they canā€™t get jack shit done. (Which, as always with protofascists, will be purely blamed on others).

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            ā€˜ah soon we are going to bash the gays againā€™

            I hate how so many people are genuine assholes at heart.

            It goes to show how important it is to put fascists in lockers.

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      Another example which doesnā€™t make a good viral news story is my not being able to put my Vietnamese name in the title of my blog and have my blog indexed by Google outside of Vietnamese-language Google ā€” I tried that when I started my blog and it caused my blog to immediately stop showing up in Google searches unless you were in Vietnam. Itā€™s just assumed that the default is that people want English language search results and, presumably, someone created a heuristic that would trigger if you have two characters with Vietnamese diacritics on a page that would effectively mark the page as too Asian and therefore not of interest to anyone in the world except in one country.

      the entire post is very good, but my brain zeroed in on this as both a perfect example of why search was absolutely fucked even before LLMs (who in fuck deploys a language heuristic that doesnā€™t take the content of the page into account? who asked for this?) and of the engineering attitudes that feed into LLMs and generative AI having unevaluated biases and defenders that insist those biases canā€™t be real

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        I run into this exact problem so often with music: itā€™s extremely fucking annoying to convince search engines or other kinds of things that, yes, I do in fact want that turkish/finnish/russian/brazilian/thai/irish/ā€¦ā€¦ result set from this english query, and thereā€™s just almost zero affordance for it

        they segment things into de facto silos and if you donā€™t already happen to have some way in which to pull on a string to lead the way there (or can input the desired query in the applicable language and spelling) youā€™ll have a bitch of a time. check a couple of those items from my entries on the music thread a while back for references to test with

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      god damn those recasting images

      it will never not be hilarious how pathetic this technology/approach is

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    me talking to someone after describing a dumb and horrible LW thing:

    i feel like iā€™m describing a livejournal fanfic cult, which i guess i am

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    Personally havenā€™t seen a headline about Olā€™ Billy Boy ever since word got around that he was a diamond medallion member of the lolita express airlines. William Gatorade thinks AIā€™s got what climate craves, i.e. waste heat.

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      Gates also mentioned that AI will be a good force in providing better health care and tackling climate change, in particular by calling nuclear fusion energy a clean alternative to fossil fuels.

      Ah yes, fusion. With the wealth of data we have from - checks notes - stars and bombs, the applied statistics machines will surely be able to extrapolate working fusion reactors.

      Donā€™t know what we need Gates for. Surely an AI should be able to spout this bullshit?

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        fusion research is just thinnest disguise for thermonuclear weapons research, especially the inertial confinement fusion variety

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        i think that openai also wanted to solve their problems with fusion, but they got a step further, they made a startup for this. not normal nuclear power plant hot rock machine, no, they want tech that is perpetually Just A Decade Away. it makes some perverse sense if your funding is dependent on misguided hype only

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        Donā€™t know what we need Gates for. Surely an AI should be able to spout this bullshit?

        Ugh, so many people are working the ā€œAI will solve X problemā€ mill. I donā€™t need nor want AI to be there increasing output.

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        Eh, thereā€™s a chance that machine learning might help hereā€¦ thereā€™s some interesting stuff come out of that area of research, like radio antennae and rocket engines and so on, but Iā€™d bet anything that a) no LLMs were involved and none ever will be, and b) ā€œaiā€ only appears in marketing copy and funding pitches.

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          dunno about rockets, but antenna thingy works only because you can simulate performance of antenna very reliably, precisely and quickly. This data was fed back, random small changes were made, things that were an improvement passed to the next iteration. Not sure how this approach is called but none of it is LLM

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            ā€œgenetic algorithmā€ - something I hadnā€™t previously seen branded as ā€œAIā€, but I guess Iā€™m not surprised

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              GAs went out of the limelight before the rest of the beaus of current ā€œAIā€ branding came to be, suspect that might be part of it

              (Another suspicion is that itā€™s because theyā€™reā€¦fairly observable, ito operation? So itā€™s far less easily claimable that one of these has gained sentience, or all the other dumb bullshit that the cluster has spun in recent years)

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      Now this is the shit. This right here. The only usecase for genAI - massively uncanny shitposts meant for consumption at 3AM in a dark corner of YouTube while on vibes enhancing substances.

      This is what god wouldnā€™t have wanted and therefore is what we must pursue.

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    Iā€™m so sick of ā€œif only we had more humanities in education the elites wouldnā€™t be fucking up the world.ā€ that has nothing to do with reality, it never has, it never will