Louisiana has become the first state to require that the Ten Commandments be displayed in every public school classroom under a bill signed into law by Republican Gov. Jeff Landry on Wednesday.
The GOP-drafted legislation mandates that a poster-sized display of the Ten Commandments in “large, easily readable font” be required in all public classrooms, from kindergarten to state-funded universities. Although the bill did not receive final approval from Landry, the time for gubernatorial action — to sign or veto the bill — has lapsed.
Opponents question the law’s constitutionality, warning that lawsuits are likely to follow. Proponents say the purpose of the measure is not solely religious, but that it has historical significance. In the law’s language, the Ten Commandments are described as “foundational documents of our state and national government.
the time for gubernatorial action — to sign or veto the bill — has lapsed.
What does this mean? Is this Shroedinger’s law? Is the law in effect?
Sounds like something The Satanic Temple may have an issue with.
“If you want to respect the rule of law, you’ve got to start from the original lawgiver, which was Moses”
Bollocks, more like.
The earliest known laws are from The Code of Ur-Nammu from Mesopotamia written on tablets around 2100–2050 BCE. If Moses existed, he was probably chiselling away at his tables six or seven hundred years later.
So I demand that these laws replace the 10 Commandments in schools. Who could forget such classics as:
- If a prospective son-in-law enters the house of his prospective father-in-law, but his father-in-law later gives his daughter to another man, the father-in-law shall return to the rejected son-in-law twofold the amount of bridal presents he had brought.
- If a man’s slave-woman, comparing herself to her mistress, speaks insolently to her, her mouth shall be scoured with 1 quart of salt.
- If a man, in the course of a scuffle, smashed the limb of another man with a club, he shall pay one mina of silver.
- If a man stealthily cultivates the field of another man and he raises a complaint, this is however to be rejected, and this man will lose his expenses.
They don’t care about ACTUAL history. They’re trying to defend themselves by shifting any criticism onto “the original lawgiver,” and knowing full well that most Americans get their history from church (and bad TV in a close second), they invoke God as a shield to do whatever awful injustices make them erect that week
How much is a Mina in pounds?
In today’s money? About 17p, or 21 US cents. Shocking, really. I’ve got a club because at that price, why wouldn’t you?
I can’t read it atm. Is there a size requirement?
Language requirement?
Does it HAVE to be readable?
Cause woo are my malicious compliance human mandibles quivering.
Language requirement?
👆
If not - put them up in Esperanto :*)
historically they’re in hebrew, not english and the hebrew version is inarguably both more historical and more accurate
to me, that clearly sounds like the best way to do it. ^^
" a poster-sized display of the Ten Commandments in “large, easily readable font” in all public classrooms, from kindergarten to state-funded universities. "
Put the poster up backwards?
remember that it’s the gays that are indoctrinating our children!
remember that it’s the moslems that want sharia law!
remember that it’s the librulls that don’t respect that constitution!
large, easily readable font
Ah, but readable by whom? I have a bar code font here. If you can’t read it you’re clearly not nerd enough.
Also, putting the Ten Commandments in classrooms will only turn the kids into sarcastic, blasphemous little fellows. …I mean, more so than they already are.
Sure sure, easily readable by what definition? Under a microscope? From a distance? Only if you cross your eyes? All very easy to do.
large, easily readable font
Can it use large font characters from non-english languages?
The Ten Crack Commandments? Didn’t know they were Biggie fans
The law specifies the exact text, so this won’t fly. Even using the other set of ten commandments in the Bible won’t fly.
I am looking forward to the lawsuits on 1A and how this functionally means they will have to display any list of religious rules or tenets requested. Nine Satanic Statements, the Seven Tenets of The Satanic Temple, the Noble Eightfold Path, etc, etc. We can turn their schools into a museum of comparative religion.
Don’t forget the Pastafarians and their noodly appendages
Nah, it’s the Ten Duel Commandments. Because everyone loves Hamilton.
NUMBER ONE.
The challenge, demand satisfaction
If they apologize, no need for further action
How is this not a first amendment constitutional violation? It very clearly establishes a state religion by enforcing Christian doctrine into state law. Fuck every religion, but in particular, fuck abrahamic religion and all of its followers.
It is, the point is to make it to the Supreme Court so they can set a precedent that its allowed.
Sounds like a good way to destroy the 2nd amendment.
If they actually believe in that whole originalism thing they claim (basically that the text of the constitution means what it would have meant at the time it was written, and shifts in the definition or words don’t change that meaning) they still can’t allow it. There’s basically no way to interpret the Constitution that would result in mandating a specific religious affirmation be in public facilities isn’t “promoting an establishment of religion”.
The best they could hope for without just ignoring the Constitution entirely and making something up (which all their conservatism.aside they generally haven’t done yet) would be arguing that this requires opening the door to any similar list of religious tenets by literally every faith on the planet.
They’re supposed to be the court defending the constitution, but yet here we are. I wish you weren’t right.
As a Canadian, I have the same question. Is this just the old "slam through an obviously unconstitutional law because it will take years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get it undone and until then maybe we can keep pushing our clearly anti-American agenda? (note I’m using American to mean what they claim it to mean, like in the movies, not what it actually is, which is kinda… this.)
Can’t wait to see the
eightseven tenets of the Satanic Temple right up there next to themPlease donate to The Satanic Temple if you care about this topic and are able.
TST is not a super great org unfortunately. They do stuff for great headlines but apparently little in the way of effective advocacy. I’ve also heard that there are pretty bad issues with misogyny among the upper echelons. While it’s extremely long at 2hrs, Dead Domain’s video on the subject goes into great detail.
It’s really unfortunate, I wanted to believe they were fighting the good fight but I don’t know if I can in good conscience anymore
Why do I care about what a video game youtuber thinks?
Do yourself a favor and don’t.
I don’t know how this has become a seemingly valid method of argument for an altogether too-large segment of the internet. Make some contrarian comment and then post a stupidly long video by some random that they seem to think is valid and useful evidence.
No one is going to watch this shit. Anyone who has two hours to waste on some random dude’s opinions interspersed with commercials needs to reexamine their life priorities.
I linked it because I recall it having a lot of cogent points and being relevant, and because I don’t remember off the top of my head the specific allegations, I didn’t want to dig through a two hour video I’ve already seen at the exact moment of writing because I only had so much time and research to dedicate to a Lemmy comment. It’s valid to be annoyed by a long video linked as an argument, but my comment was a “too long didn’t watch” version of it… that actually left out some details like the founder also being a fucking eugenicist.
I also use an adblocker, and the vid has some opinions obviously but was mostly going over evidence, recordings, and related allegations.
You don’t have to watch it if you don’t want to. I linked it as a secondary source. While primary sources are preferable and it might have been a good idea to do the legwork myself, I wanted something posted quick to maybe make people think twice on the “donate to TST” call to action in the initial comment.
If the entirety of the video is summarized by the three whole sentences of context you wrote in your initial comment, it sounds even less worth a watch than I initially thought.
From what I can find in actual sources, there’s two founders, and I’m guessing your claim on the eugenics is about Greaves, who certainly sounds like an asshole if not explicitly a eugenicist, but weirdly it didn’t take a two-hour anything to read about it.
The rest of it seems to stem from something a former spokesperson wrote in a Medium article and a bunch of other asshole stunts by Greaves, who yes totally seems like an asshole. None of this took more than ten minutes of searching and reading, maybe thirty if you read slowly.
I get that you’re not the only person in the world that does this, but if you actually care to make people think about something even once, like you claim to, maybe make the one thing you link to more accessible than a two-hour slog by some random YouTuber that I’m sure is super well-known to you and all their other followers but has no recognizable credibility outside of that tiny niche.
… it’s not really an opinion piece? It’s mostly a breakdown of the church’s dubious history and leadership. I’m sure they also do video game stuff, but that feels like it has no bearing on the actual facts presented.
Thank you! I’ll edit the original
the Ten Commandments are described as “foundational documents of our state and national government.
Jefferson must be rolling in his grave so fast that he could power the whole east coast. Bunch of uneducated goons.
Thomas Jefferson would never roll over in his grave. He would have his slaves roll him.
Atonal screaming heard in distance
Glad I’m far enough down this rabbit hole to get the reference.
You know who else atonally screams into the void…?
The… products and services that support this lemmy thread?
I’d love for them to point to where it suggests that in either the federal or state constitutions.
I wouldn’t point to state constitutions there’s probably a few that do say that.
One now does…
Bunch of uneducated goons.
Oh, they know they’re lying, they just want to lie so much they bury the truth re-write the past (which is kinda ironic if you think about it, given that whole eight commandment). It’s kinda the same way the “Lost Cause of the Confederacy” is embedded into American mythology despite being a after-the-fact whitewashing of history.
No one challenged the law makers to prove that they were right. They are lying because they can get away with it - no one in any position of power asked or was asked which foundational document was forged by forefathers from Christian (or any religion) doctrine.
6 and 8 are the only ones that are laws, and those are just common sense shit, don’t murder or steal. The first 4 are telling you what god to worship and how, which are explicitly the opposite of what a government is built on.
There’s also the one about bearing false witness, aka perjury/defamation/libel/slander.
Display them in Arabic.
This would never have survived scotus 5 years ago. Today I would not bet against them finding it constitutional
Lol, that’s exactly what I thought of too. Assuming https://legiscan.com/LA/text/HB71/2024 is correct I think my image fits the legal requirements.
It does specify specific text, but it doesn’t say I can’t add additional text.
Also it has to be easily readable.
Also it has to be easily readable.
That’s a tall order for a state that has a terrible education system.
Daaaamn, dog. Louisiana is going to need to invest a lot of money into reforestation after that sick burn.
That’s painful to look at, I can’t agree that it’s easily readable
Green on red is classic complementary colors.
Love it 👍
Ahhh! My eyes! 🙈
MY EYES!!! Bless you, internet denizen
Should’ve just let French have them
What a shithole state.
Incoming Satanic Temple poster right beside it!
I’m so sick and tired Of these Christophascist Trying to force their pedophile religion on me and my kids.
There should be penalties for anyone who passes an obviously unconstitutional law.
Immediate loss of all Federal funding. Welfare states like Louisiana will feel the pinch quickly.
I mean personal penalties. There are individual people responsible for this. Punish them, not the state.
They are the state. Literally.
What you mean is don’t punish innocent people already struggling.
Whom neither they, nor their jackbooted enforcers in the police, are, and will not feel or care.
There are elections but most of their constitutes don’t care about the constitution so that doesn’t matter. I believe most of these guys have lawyers advising them or are lawyers themselves so the bar might be able to do something.
If the bar stepped in and said advisors and others with law degree could loose them trying to pass laws that were struck down before that might work.
