My HP All-In-One 20-c081nt has the processor Intel Core i3-6100U, which is supposed to not run hotter than 100C. On Windows if 100C is reached, the screen will fade out and PC will immediately shutdown. A warning will be shown at next boot. On Linux, seen in the video, the PC will simply keep running as if nothing has happened and show the thermal shutdown warning after a graceful reboot.

    • stoy@lemmy.zipEnglish
      161·
      5 months ago

      We use HP laptops at work, feels like a huge step down from the Dell machines we used at my old job.

      BTW: I absolutely agree with your nickname.

      Raspberry is the best berry. I even have some distilled alcohol msde from Raspberries, gives an amazing raspberry aftertaste when mixed with sprite

        • stoy@lemmy.zipEnglish
          3·
          5 months ago

          Looks fantastic!

          I’ll give it ago when I am in Scotland the next time!

          Here in Sweden we have a government alcohol monopoly, it’s fantastic, I can order just about anything feom all over the world and have it available at my closest Systembolag.

          That is how I ended up with several different raspberry liqueuers and three different raspberry distilates…

          I hardly ever drink alcohol during summer as I get too hot when trying to sleep.

      • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        5 months ago

        I hate the elite book I have from work. I had a Lenovo X1 carbon at my prior job so this was a real downgrade

        • stoy@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          5 months ago

          I have an EliteBook as well, at my last job everyone had desktops as their main machine and a laptop if the needed to travel.

        • AndrewZabar@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          4 months ago

          I have an Elitebook it’s quite a few years old now though. I love it! But it’s only a testing machine not my main system. Also have a ProBook. Those units are amazingly easy to service and upgrade. I was shocked honestly the first time I saw it. Like, damn this is NOT made to extort service fees.

        • stoy@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          4 months ago

          I am sad to say that they are way down on my list, but that means then you get more for yourself

  • Blaster M@lemmy.worldEnglish
    43·
    5 months ago

    Super lazy on HP to design such protection to be dependent on the OS. A good realtime priority set of threads could probably keep it running hot for longer by blocking the protection program.

    That protection should be part of the system firmware.

    • lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish
      22·
      5 months ago

      It used to be part of the CPU itself. Intels would throttle themselves down when reaching critical temperatures. Is that no longer the case?

    • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
      62·
      5 months ago

      Yeah this is awful. It will probably stop working when Microsoft releases whatever they call the next version of Windows like 8 months from now.

    • AndrewZabar@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      4 months ago

      Well remember when they were making those really cheap inkjets that would only work with windows. And some companies made “win-modems” that were super cheap because they didn’t have a certain chip and instead used a windows driver.

      I’m not completely positive what the incentives were on their parts, but I had thought this was history already. Seems Microsoft has to resort to this kind of shady deal to stay relevant, since their OS is a pile of toxic waste and many people are going completely microshaft free.

      Also, although I have a fondness for some legacy HP products that are really nice, I would absolutely never buy a new product from them ever. I haven’t since the early 2000s.

  • rufus@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    191·
    5 months ago

    Why does it force the processor over the limit in the first place?

    I think in every other laptop the CPU just throttles when it gets too hot. Meaning it can never exceed the maximum temperature. I wonder if this is a misunderstanding or if HP actually did away with all of that and designed a laptop that will cook itself.

    And it’s not even a good design decision to shutdown the PC if someone runs a game… Aren’t computers meant to run them? Why not automatically lower the framerate by throttling? Why shut down instead?

    • mrvictory1@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      10·
      5 months ago

      On Windows there is an odd way of throttling which only sometimes triggers and lowers CPU frequency to 1380 MHz. It is bypassable via custom power plan. As I said, it only sometimes triggers. On Linux iGPU is never throttled and CPU is throttled around 97 C to speeds slightly below max MHz. Shutting down is, under normal circumstances, for situations where throttling fails. I have another laptop which successfully throttles and keeps temps below 90C.

      • rufus@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        71·
        5 months ago

        I’ve used laptops for more than a decade. And sure, in the early times thermal management wasn’t that elborate. But I really haven’t seen any laptop in many, many years that doesn’t do it with perfect accuracy. And usually it’s done in hardware so there isn’t really any way for it to fail. And I played games and compiled software for hours with all CPU cores at 100% and fans blasting. At least with my current laptop and the two Thinkpads before. I’m pretty sure with the technology of the last 10 years, throttling doesn’t ever fail unless you deliberately mess with it.

      • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        4·
        5 months ago

        It’s normal for a modern CPU (especially in a laptop) to hit its maximum temperature. Hell with turbo boost that’s its goal. But for your PC to fully thermally shut down something has to be seriously wrong, and the computer would be unusable slow before it does power off.

        If you booted windows right now and played a game would it power off? If it wouldn’t then that’s most likely just a false alert.

        • mrvictory1@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          3·
          5 months ago

          If you booted windows right now and played a game would it power off?

          The PC does power off when playing on Windows. Sometimes right away, sometimes a few minutes or hours later.

          • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            4·
            5 months ago

            Unless the heatsink is entirely disconnected it shouldn’t power off instantly. Something is very wrong with your machine and I don’t think it’s the over heating protection. I’d remove the heatsink and replace the thermal paste and make sure it’s seated fully when you reinstall it.

  • withabeard@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    9·
    5 months ago

    I’m not particularly surprised.

    I’ve had a hp laptop provided by work before. There were DVI ports on the laptop and fucking station. I’m Windows, the ports on the laptop were disabled when plugged into the docking station. I presumed they were hard wired over to the dock

    On Linux, all the ports worked just fine and I could hook up every port on the laptop and dock just fine

      • Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        2·
        5 months ago

        With rebots and Ai, it may happen. I already imagine the article title : “these are the big tech companies that provide a fucking station to their employees after research shows it increased productivity by up to 70%”

  • Synapse@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    5 months ago

    You are saying, you are using your computer normally and it will reach temperature so high it needs to self-shutdown ? Either your laptop needs a good cleaning, maybe if it’s very old replacing the thermal past, or this is really a terrible design flaw.

  • leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nlEnglish
    2·
    5 months ago

    I wish there’s those stickers manufacturers can put in to say the product runs well on linux (as compared to windows and mac).