I’m a conservative. I don’t mind the liberal stuff here. It’s good to learn the other side, but I don’t want a liberal echo chamber. I’d like to be more politically balanced in the fediverse. Is there any way I can do that?
I’m a conservative. I don’t mind the liberal stuff here. It’s good to learn the other side, but I don’t want a liberal echo chamber. I’d like to be more politically balanced in the fediverse. Is there any way I can do that?
I understand how you feel, let me know if you find anything. I’m more left leaning myself, but I’m also not a fan of echo chambers and it gets pretty tiring and annoying seeing the same stuff over and over again. At the end of the day, I just wanna see an open, fair, and balanced discussion. The Fediverse is undeniably very left leaning currently, which is surprising to me since you’d think the anti-censorship design on paper would appeal more to people on the right who are against big tech and censorship, but I guess not? It’s interesting.
american conservatives care more about denying rights and liberties than anything else as evidenced by their leaders and publicly shared platforms; so if you believe that censorship has anything to do w it, you’re not a conservative.
I think both the left and the right are concerned with restricting rights, they just have different views of which rights it’s okay to obstruct.
Which rights to leftists want to “obstruct”?
They never come back to answer that question do they?
I personally would like to further obstruct the freedom to murder children at school.
I second that
Personally I want to obstruct the right to murder schoolchildren that seems to have become prevalent but the rightwingers seem to think that’s an infringement.
Free speech is the biggest one.
Women’s rights is another.
Go on and explain those, please.
Free speech? The left want any speech they deem “hateful” to be censored, banned, and made illegal. They encourage and campaign for people to be deplatformed and banned from social media.
Women’s rights? They want biological men to have access to everything that biological women do.
Explain. What speech do they deem hateful? Why is it not actuwlly hateful? And what are they doing to ban it or make it illegal? Also, where are these leftists? They’re certainly not in government.
Such as? Also, what is a “biological man”? As far as I’m aware, biology has nothing to do with gender. It relates to sex, though. There are biological males, that’s for sure. So, it seems to me you’re just doing mental gymnastics to say trans women aren’t valid and are just. To sum up, you’re just reaching to be anti trans, and pretending this is an anti leftist argument.
Also, i thought we were talking about the left? The left are more likely to ve on boars with trans people, true, and to be against hate speech. But the left are generally more about worker solidarity, unions, busting hierarchy and removing the state. Seems you have leftism confused for general progressivism.
The “rights” to deny bodily autonomy and to enact ethnical cleansing are not worth defending.
Ah yes, the classic conservative “both sides” argument.
Which side are literally calling for more censorship? Democrats or republicans?
Great question. Republicans.
Ooh so close. Try again.
I mean honestly it’s probably near impossible to discuss conservative politics online these days without the far right loonies invading, taking over and getting the place banned lol.
Also I wonder if conservatives would be put off lemmy given the political stance of its creators - even though that shouldn’t matter being free and open and not controlled by any one person, you know how people are.
Why do you thknk it is, that those “far right loonies” feel welcome and comfortable in those “conservative” spaces?
I mean, while that could be correct I also consider that if far right spaces get banned regularly then those people are refugees that will invade the next closest thing?
Obviously the next closest thing to far right, is center right. Does that make the center right inherently bad? I don’t think so necessarily on principle.
I disagree with conservative views almost entirely but its not something that I believe shouldn’t have discussion spaces, unlike far right politics which can just get fucked with their disdain for basic human rights, they don’t deserve a seat at the table at all.
I suppose ultimately it’s down to moderation isn’t it. If conservatives want a seat at the table they have to keep their lunatics in check and if they don’t then yeah don’t see why I should cry over it really, and thats true of all online communities.
Center-right just fits in with everyone else. Either all those people have shut up and just blend in with liberals or they don’t really exist.
I know, so weird right
If someone is “conservative” but not a Trump loving Q nut job, I’d argue that they have about the same in common with the Biden administration than many progressives online do. There is no overlap with the majority republicans party today. The concept of discussion is not compatible.
I mean there are also other countries in the world with various varieties of conservatives but I see your point
The conservatives in many other first world nation would fit better with the democrats in the US at the center. The US Republican party is lost. These people do pop up in other countries though, Canada especially.
I’ve already seen it happening with people on Reddit (they don’t seem particularly conservative either) claiming that lemmy is “built and run by Tankies”. Many of these people though are/were also scabs so take that as you will.
This is my issue as well. There is nothing inherently wrong with conservative politics, but most arguments I see about politics online are about highly charged topics instead of actual policy discussion. Lots of heated emotions from people whose easiest outlet is anger doesn’t make for good conversations.
It often feels like we represent media interests and are arguing on behalf of whatever source we spend the most time immersed in.
What US conservative platform bullet isn’t a grift? Is there any? It’s been nearly a decade since I came across a conservative arguing anything in good faith.
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Meanwhile, libertarians are staring at both the extreme left and extreme right and wondering what the fundamental difference is…
Indeed, libertarians are known to be stupid.
What a baffling take. I’m stunned that you managed to describe the exact opposite of reality. The left are against centralisation of power, especially in corporations… It’s so absurd to suggest the left are fans of big tech. It’s even more absurd to suggest the right are not. The right wing supports capitalism, and corporate monopoly is pretty much the goal of any capitalist business.
Also, censorship is utterly irrelevant to this discussion… apart from, i guess, social media execs having the power to silence people who hate them. Which are… most likely to be leftists…
Such a weird comment. I’m shook.
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Yes, claim
I’m what would be called “very left leaning” in Australia. On Reddit and Lemmy’s politics communities I’m called a trumper, nazi, bigot, republican, and a fascist 😂. I voted yes to gay marriage in our referendum. I have literally never voted for our Conservative Party. I’ve voted for the greens (our “far left”) more than I’ve voted for our “left”. I’m a big believer in taking action on climate change. I’m a trans rights supporter, identify as whatever you want, I don’t care.
What I’m not for however, is censorship and things like pretending biology doesn’t exist. I’m for fairness across the board, so my views that biological males only compete with biological males makes me a “transphobe” apparently 😂
I don’t want an echo chamber. I want everyone of all political opinions from far left to far right to be able to discuss their opinions and views without fear of censorship, brigading, and banning. Apparently that’s too much to ask of the far lefts that make up most of Lemmy.