I’m a conservative. I don’t mind the liberal stuff here. It’s good to learn the other side, but I don’t want a liberal echo chamber. I’d like to be more politically balanced in the fediverse. Is there any way I can do that?

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    Anyone who votes for a party that supports racism, banning books, and trying to make it harder for people to vote is not “nice enough”.

    They are an evil piece of shit who is making the country a miserable place to live.

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      I agree with this but we aren’t talking about castings votes here and I’m assuming OP is voting as if he is a sane person, but what are they supposed to do with the values they hold that don’t align with liberalism?

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        I would decide which is worse: the things I listed, or the things the voter may dislike about liberal policies like free healthcare for all.

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        but what are they supposed to do with the values they hold that don’t align with liberalism?

        Grow as a person. Something we should all strive to do. There are plenty of places I diverged from all the hard right liberals. Mostly around the capitalism fetish. But I can support them at least because of their more pro social democracy stance. But I can articulate and explain the logic why when asked. As a socialist I also diverge heavily from anti social democracy socialists. And again, can general explain and point out the reasons why. Things most of my fellow Americans have little understanding of or desire too. But none of us are perfect, nor will we ever be. But that isn’t a reason to stop growing.

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      I only vote republican when they have good views. I’d rather get rid of political parties and make people run on merit alone.

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      Affirmative action is textbook racism btw. Which party is pushing that?

      No one is asking for books to be banned, just for them to be age restricted due to inappropriate content for children. I don’t care which way you lean - an 8 year old shouldn’t be given books describing and encouraging sexual experimentation with things like anal and oral sex in school. That’s not right.

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        Affirmative action would be biased if everyone started with the same opportunities. Surprise, they don’t!

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          It’s literally racism to give an advantage based on race. There is no debate about this. Racism is racism, you just think this specific racism is good.

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      If you have only two choices and both are bad, you have to choose the lesser evil. The OP probably doesn’t like the racism and stuff, but they dislike certain policies of the other party even more.

      Also, “trying to make it harder for people to vote” is an interesting way to say “requiring people to bring their citizen ID when voting, like in any civilized country”.

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        I would say that the dismantling of human rights would be a greater evil than the things the democrats could cook up, but if you are not affected and have no empathy for others it could be better to vote for the republicans.

        And werent the conditions to be able to vote pretty restrictive to a lot of people?

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          I live in a country where identification is required for voting and it doesn’t feel restrictive. On the contrary, I’m glad someone can’t just vote in my name.

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            In the US the largest group of people without id’s are Democrats and black.

            It’s literally making the system more racist.

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              There’s nothing that makes it harder for them to get IDs though.

              No one should be allowed to vote without an ID, anywhere, ever. If you can’t prove who you are and where you live why should you be able to vote? This is how you get voter fraud.

              Here in Australia you’ve always required a government ID to be able to vote, and you need to provide it when you vote. It’s a great system. Anyone arguing against it needs to be asked why.

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              Every black person has an ID, you have to otherwise you can’t do anything anyways. I have never met anyone in my community who doesn’t have some form of ID that’s valid in elections.

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              So the question is, why doesn’t everyone have IDs? How does the country identify its citizens?

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            In my country:

            • We have a mandatory national ID
            • Having it automatically registers you as a voter after 16 y.o.
            • Voting is mandatory between 18 and 70.
            • We vote on Sundays to ensure everyone can go.
            • Voting in always in person. We usually use schools to that end, windows are obscured to ensure secrecy.
            • We record who voted following the electoral registry. Only the last issued national ID is valid to vote.
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          In Florida, courts have backed Republican efforts to withhold voting rights from hundreds of thousands of felons, many of them people of color.

          Maybe it’s just me but I’m ok with convicted felons not being able to vote.

          Registering to vote using and then presenting a federally issued government ID is a good thing. It stops voter fraud dead in its tracks. Why are people against this? Because it supposedly disadvantages minorities? It doesn’t. They can get a federally issued ID just as easily as anyone else.

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            Felony disenfranchisement is a relic of the Jim Crow era. It’s an incentive to arrest and convict POC on false charges of a felony so that their rights are permanently stripped away. Restoring the right to vote lessens this incentive.

            https://www.vox.com/voting-rights/21440014/prisoner-felon-voting-rights-2020-election

            If you’re interested in learning more, please check out this book:

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow

            Re voter ID laws, this is from the ACLU’s fact sheet on voter IDs:

            -Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.
            -States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
            -Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.
            -Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap

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        There’s far more to making voting more difficult than just requiring an ID. For example, I believe it was Texas that relatively recently lowered its number of voting stations in left-leaning areas and made it illegal to give people water that were waiting in line to vote.