• p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Not a big Biden guy myself, but I’m still voting for him because I’m not stupid and I know exactly what’s at stake.

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    5 months ago

    Sorry, not trying to be spammy it just hit my front page twice, and I have the same response both times! :)

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      5 months ago

      WOAH! You can’t just talk about CONSEQUENCES! That’s just trying to THREATEN people into VOTING the way you want them to!

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      5 months ago

      Yeah a lot of the anti biden posts feel orchestrated to discourage people from voting similarly how it worked for trump against Clinton

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        5 months ago

        I’ll say this: Though the result is the same, I feel much more okay with posts pushing a specific third party they’re inspired by than going the same “anybody else” route we take with Biden without actually naming someone or listing policies.

        When they don’t name anyone, I’m more likely to agree with you it’s just a distraction unwilling to focus on a genuine plan of action.

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    5 months ago

    Another one? Fine…

    I will never vote for Joe Biden again and if you’re looking for an alternative the party for socialism and liberation has a platform of Palestinian statehood and ending arms shipments to israel.

    If you want election reform their platform also includes radical expansions of democracy!

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        5 months ago

        That’s literally not true.

        My past third party votes were not counted towards other candidates and if you’re using the logic that any third party vote takes away from possible Biden votes you may have missed it when I said I would never vote for Joe Biden again.

        I will absolutely never vote for Joe Biden again.

        Nothing will ever make me willingly cast a ballot for him again. I’d vote third party if it was Biden versus Hitler.

        There are people as disgusted with Biden as I am who simply don’t know that there are alternatives aside from the worthless greens, actively harmful libertarians and joke candidates like Afro man and vermin supreme.

        A vote for the party for socialism and liberation goes toward a party that shows up at protests, runs local candidates and has a cohesive platform.

        The support that vote confers helps them get funding, event presence, ballot presence, media attention and of course public awareness.

        If you want better democrats, not psl, voting for psl shows democrats in terms that cannot be deepfaked, covered up or minimized that there are votes they could get if their platform and candidates were closer to those of psl.

        If you don’t like Biden and don’t think trump is the end of the world, psl is objectively a better choice for your future.

        If you think trump is the end of the world, what are you doing posting about it online? Go prepare to perform political violence.

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        Where’s the part where it helps Trump?

        The part where the reality is we have a plurality voting system (“First past the post”) in place today.

        We supposedly live in a democracy,

        We do.

        I’m voicing my opinion.

        You are.

        I’m not saying the rule of law should prevent you from doing what you’re doing (I’m not a fan of fascism). However, you’re being willfully ignorant if you acknowledge our plurality voting system, but claim your work convincing people not to vote for Biden doesn’t also helps Trump become president again.

        • return2ozma@lemmy.worldOP
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          5 months ago

          Vote for whoever you want. Biden, Trump, third party, write in, don’t vote, your choice. Democracy at work.

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            I don’t get it, what you detail is democracy, and these people are being hideous about it, if someone wants to vote third party then that’s they’re democratic right and to nag and ostracise someone for they’re democratic right is manipulative.

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              if someone wants to vote third party then that’s they’re democratic right and to nag and ostracise someone for they’re democratic right is manipulative.

              Oh, right, only the people you agree with have the right to freedom of speech.

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        5 months ago

        If the race is neck and neck, and you vote for Micky mouse because you wanna feel superior to everyone around you, all you’ve done is make things worse.

        Depending on your location, you may have directly helped trump.

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            Wrong. In some cases, if your district is competitive, and you’ve decided to vote for not-trump, if you vote for anyone but the other competitive candidate (in this case Biden), you allow trump to pull ahead due to first past the post voting.

            Edit: hypothetically if only 4 people vote,

            2 for trump 1 for Biden 1 for mickey

            Trump wins.

            Edit edit or more compelling…

            5 total voters.

            2 for trump 1 for Biden 1 for Mickey and one abstains

            Trump wins. If the mickey and the abstain voters don’t want trump, their best action was to vote for Biden, as that would have achieved:

            2 for trump 3 for Biden 0 for mickey.

            Biden wins.

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                Bullshit. All conditions I just laid out, were declared in my above comment. Including location dependence.

                Edit because you seem to need help… The location dependence I’m referring to is that you need to be in a sufficiently competitive location for that clause to be relevant.

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                  you said a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote for trump. you’re backing away from that now, softening the claim to say it “allows him to pull ahead”. I’m just trying to keep the rhetoric honest.

        • return2ozma@lemmy.worldOP
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          5 months ago

          Calm down. I’m in California. My vote doesn’t count.

          Go cry to the 65 million that don’t vote at all.

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            Your anti Biden campaign is what counts here because a) we are all here and b) every voter who reads it is not in California. You want to hate Biden that’s totally fine and cool, but leave this hypocritical shit at home. You are an anti Biden loudspeaker around here, not an anti trump voice who likes Biden less.

            Most of us see your posts and roll our eyes, but if you sour 10 minds to Biden and your vote doesn’t count, who are you helping? Not the non voters, not the voters who feel like you just posted (of which I am one), just the red hat brigade.

            If you want to be for trump then do it, if you want to hate Biden do it, but you’re yanking our dicks around here and I for one don’t like it. Do what you want, but expect this kind of response from the community to keep worsening; not that a downvote ever hurt anybody.

            • return2ozma@lemmy.worldOP
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              5 months ago

              Continue to downvoted but also fight back for Biden. Start posting some positive articles and listing his policies and accomplishments. Better yet, sign up to volunteer for the Biden campaign. Phone calls, texts, canvassing, etc. I tried to find the volunteer sign up on Biden’s website but I don’t see one though so maybe he doesn’t care about volunteers.

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                As I rule I don’t post because I get too sucked into it instead of, you know, being a good dad lol. Yes I also have not found a Biden volunteer option besides cold calling, so I walk for my state rep in my down time instead.

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    For every person that says they hate biden but will vote for him anyway there are dozens who just don’t get it, think “they’re both bad” and can’t be bothered voting because they’d have to figure it out.

    Honestly, you idiots are doing exactly what the republicans would have you do. You’re cannibalising support for the left. Well done.

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      Fuck you. There are tons of us who are extremely critical of Biden without being stupid enough to withhold a vote against Trump. But people like you will blame us anyway if he wins. And the part where you couch it in “will vote for him anyway there are dozens who just don’t get it,” you’re talking down to a lot of people who absolutely understand what’s at stake.

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        you’re talking down to a lot of people

        No I’m not.

        The vast majority of voters really are that disinterested. Any narrative to muddy the waters more complex than “Trump bad Biden good” will discourage them from voting.

        If you’re unable to see that then you’re too stupid to see you’ve been manipulated by conservatives.

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          If you’re unable to see that then you’re too stupid to see you’ve been manipulated by conservatives.

          This is about the most myopic and dismissive insult I’ve received since joining Lemmy. Congrats! All my political education and seeking information was for nothing. I’m a tool of the christofascists that I hate. You’re right. I’ll hang up my spurs and show myself out. Fuck off.

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    5 months ago

    Dislike Biden all you want, but if you don’t vote for him, and Trump wins, you become an honorary Nazi and it’s morally permissable to kill you.

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    5 months ago

    …And yet all sorts of people want to talk about “not voting for Biden” says the opposite

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      “My PRIMARY goal is to have GOOD THINGS for the UNITED STATES which is why I am deeply concerned about Joe Biden and will NEVER vote for him.”

      “Yeah what good things? Fixing the problems definitely sounds like a priority, I love good things.”

      “Joe Biden FUCKED UP our marijuana policy and BETRAYED US which is why I cannot POSSIBLY support him and I can’t see why you are CRAZY AND CONFUSED and said I am a Trump supporter.”

      “That sounds like a big reform, which yes it would be great, but it’s not like failing to pass it means sliding into fascism, also he pardoned everyone in federal prison for possession, and the Democrats have advanced multiple bills for federal decriminalization which the Republicans keep defeating (*), and Biden requested the DEA to reschedule it. Is there something else you would you want him to do, on his end?”

      (there is an interval of silence)

      (*) slight oversimplification

      “My PRIMARY goal is to have GOOD THINGS for the UNITED STATES like GOOD MARIJUANA POLICY which is extremely important which is why I CANNOT support Joe Biden and will plan NEVER to vote for him. This message will repeat in thirty seconds from now.”

      Based on real events

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          Just because we dislike Biden doesn’t mean we support Trump

          You:

          I can do both

          Seems like my reading comprehension is just fine, thanks.

          So why do you support Trump?

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            It’s called agreeing with the OP. I can dislike Biden AND not support Trump. They are not mutually exclusive.

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        Ideological purity is great from the privileged position you must be in. The real results of Stein voters in the last election is millions losing rights to bodily autonomy, children being forcibly separated from families, a Christian nationalism Supreme Court, and a president playing favorites during the worst pandemic in living memory. There may be some compromises needed to fix a broken system but third parties are not likely to do anything except split the vote and cause harm

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            Stein and Johnson had between 2 (FL) and 20 (MI) times the number of votes making up the margin between Trump and Clinton in FL, WI, MI, and PA. That would have made a difference.

            Either way, no third party is viable under the current system and pretending otherwise is the luxury of people who won’t be targeted if the Trump administration is allowed back into power.

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              It is the luxury of the profoundly dense as well. Plenty of non-cis white males vote third party.

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        You’re a flawed democracy with an outdated election system. The FPTP one seat districts forces two party politics.

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        I hate this line of thinking so much. Flawed democracies are still democracies. Democracy isn’t a word that means “fair elections”.

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        While that may be true, nothing will fix that in this upcoming election. Vote Biden, then set to work fixing our democracy.

        Popping up every four years and complain about the two party system, only to disappear afterwards is never going to solve the problem.