For most people, the fact that they are an out of touch gamerchair socialist is a thing of shame, for labor aristocrats, it’s just a funny meme to laugh about with your friends as you post utopian poetry on your slave labor phone while sipping slave labor coffee. I don’t care if its Vaush or VarnVlog, folks these people are losers!
I’m a sub for salinist simps seeking socialism, fr fr.
Salinists are just tankies who are extra salty
Joseph Saline and the Red Army flushed the Nazi mucous out of Eastern Europe
is actually a neti pot
Love me a good Salinist,
Salitations to you.
Dislikes leftism
Names community Ultraleft
Ok, yeah, sure, whatever
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They use “An Infantile Disorder” as like, the subtitle of the sub. So yes
It’s a bit , right?
Three simple questions can reveal whether these ultras are genuine or larpers who don’t read
- How many sources of profit are there?
- Does competition or monopoly define capital accumulation?
- Is profitability or consumption the driving force of capitalist production?
No lie, I’ve never meet an ultra who answered these correctly, mfs on that dogmatist train do not read Marx
What are the correct answers?
my attempt
- Only labour.
- Monopoly.
- Profitability.
- Two; labour being the modern primary and profit on alienation being the other (i.e. buy cheap, sell dear)
- Competition; but not in the nonsensical way it’s defined by the modern neoclassical tradition
- Profitability, you nailed it
Is profit on alienation the same as arbitrage? Is arbitrage profit?
Yes, essentially the same thing
I assume this also includes rentierism?
Rentierism is basically just a transfer from a circuit of capital to a circuit of revenue, so the source of the revenue can fall under both categories of profit making in the form of costs
Conflating price with value is a pretty basic mistake and I’ve seen it in that sub from a fairly prolific poster lmao.
Fortunately most of the comments were clowning on them but it still managed a positive upvote ratio. Thread is here if you want to take a look, it’s pretty funny seeing the poster try to defend themselves
Reminds me of that one famous episode back during the old sub days when another prolific poster tried to “debunk” Marx by repeatedly copy-pasting the definition of “production functions” and claiming the only way socialism would work is through marginalism, he received hundreds of upvotes very comment
lmao it was simultaneously the funniest and worst thing I’d ever seen on the old sub, leftist reddit in 2018 was wild
- Fair, I mixed up profit with surplus value.
- How is that? I vaguely remember an argument where competition (as a law) leads to accumulation, but this accumulation of capital and credit in turn makes more material available for monopolization. But perhaps I’m confusing Marx with Lenin.
For the theory of monopoly to make sense it has to apply to both macro and mirco, sure from the individual consumer’s viewpoint there appears to be monopolies everywhere (Walmart in a small town) but at scale we don’t see that, we see vicious competition between enormous firms (and small firms) all over the world, Walmart may not have powerful competitors in a small town, but go to any plaza in the US what do you see next to the Walmart? Nothing but competitors; a Target right there, a best buy over there, a Home depot down the road, a Costco across the street, there’s centralization of capital absolutely, but where’s the monopoly in this picture?
Now over the history of capitalism there have been phenomenon that take on the appearance of monopoly (company towns, energy cartels, massive nation sized corporations) and sure you can assert there are localized monopolies, but as an aggregate across national economies small firms still exist in enormous numbers, and at the scale where the majority of capital is made, i.e. across national borders there’s nothing but competition
Now there’s widespread confusion on this matter because neoclassical economics implies that any firm at scale is not competing “properly” and as such is a monopoly, liberals and modern Marxists alike fall for it, but it’s a fantasy construction by a tradition that was designed specifically to negate Marxist economics
Thank you. Now I wish for more trick questions, hopefully a book with exercises.
That description made me tilt my head so quick that I pulled a muscle
In a coma rn hbu
well at least they know they’re ultras. it’s always so annoying when you have to be the one to tell them.
actually what the fuck is left of “commies” when you subtract anarchists stalinists and leftists
What the fuck!
no more half measures walter
Are they warren ‘leftists’ or Reddit ‘socialists’ I can’t tell
They’re extremely irony poisoned leftcoms
I like’m already that sounds tits.
Just like me frfr
they literally adopted the pejorative as a name for themselves? lmao
Didn’t this happen with the word “tankie” too?
no “tankies” call themselves MLs.
It’s more of a terminally online, meme lord thing, but there’s certainty some Marxist-Leninists using the term in a positive context.
yeah, some people are terminally irony poisoned.
Oh, that explains half of it.
Some very relevant discussions going on there.
I mean it’s a meme sub tbf, I wouldn’t expect much relevant discussion
I know, just decided to add another level of irony to an already ridiculous pile.
