• FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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    An attack is a casus belli even without seizing territory.

    For example, if Putin launched missiles at Warsaw or DC, he would start a war. It makes no difference if any territory is taken.

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        A missile strike is a legitimate casus belli. If you’re not a pacifist, that means it justifies force to achieve a military objective, which necessarily justifies killing civilians.

        Whether that’s “countless” or a few depends on the objective.

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          Yes, I get that you think that as long as it fits the military goal, killing any amount of children is justified.

          And I’m telling you that position is disgusting and abhorrent.

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            There is no military goal that justifies killing “any amount” of civilians. All of them have limits, which are based on military capabilities.

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              Okay, what is the limit of children the IDF should be able to kill before it is no longer justified? Give me a number.

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                In general, civilian-combatant casualty ratios range from 1:1 to 5:1. They tend to be higher in urban settings like Gaza. The Chechen wars were closer to 7-10:1

                The US estimates 15,000 combatants have been killed in Gaza. If so, we would consider 15,000 to 75,000 civilian deaths to be normal at this point.

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                    I consider all civilians to be equal, so I’m not going to separate children for the same reason I’m not going to separate Palestinian Christians, mothers, teachers, or retirees.

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                  Israel themselves said they would accept 15 dead civilians for low level Hamas staff and 100+ for higher ranking ones.

                  And they overshoot hard.

                  IDF count every male above 16 as Hamas by default. You’re gonna get a lot of false positives that way