I swear, every time most of the time I see someone being particularly rude, ignorant, and inappropriate on a post (usually political in origin, or they swing it to being political) I click on their profile and see it has been created that same day.

They are only there to sow discord. Only to piss people off. Idk if we can just report them (for what?) but I’d like to try exposing them before responding and interacting…

I am guilty of gobbling up the bait. I’ve started looking at profiles of people that piss me off exceptionally and noticed they’re burner bot loser accounts.

I guess i just want to say I’ve noticed it!

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      I don’t know if 50k people, at least a third of whom are outside of the US is a big enough target or if I’m being naïve in thinking that

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        I was thinking the same thing. It’s definitely not a coordinated propaganda thing. Some people are just assholes. And they like to troll.

        But who knows, maybe someone, somewhere, knows about lemmy—some government/interest group—and think it’s worth it because it can be accessed through mastodon, blue sky, etc. The fediverse seems to be a relatively popular subject these days. So, I dunno. Maybe.

        But I think some people just suck and think trolling is a good pastime.

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      It’s already getting like that over there. That’s why I’m here now. The last straw was a “Reddit Recommendation” that I join r/InternationalNews. I took a look around, and it was a hotbed of anti-Israel and anti-America content. There was the video of the university detonation from January 20th, posted that day and pinned to the top. When I commented on the date and provided the source, I was downvoted to oblivion, and eventually banned.

      The sub was #7 under recommended news subreddits.

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              Beyond that even: not all Israelis share the way of thinking of the Government of Israel.

              Plenty of decent people even in a country which has for decades been heavy in nationalism, delusions of inherent racial superiority and generally Zionist indoctrination.

              They’re probably the minority rather than the majority though.

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                I also do not view Israel as Israelis, or Israelis as Israel. Just like most of the US hates BOTH Biden and Trump, yet those are our options.

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            Nah yes their citizens too. Have you seen the video of them literally jumping clapping and cheering the destruction of people’s homes?

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            The working class of every country has their respective 1%ers that need to be dealt with. Non violently, through electoral reform preferably.

            Fuck first past the post voting. Intentionally limiting the number of viable options to pick from is NOT democracy.

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            Bibi is basically a centrist in Israel so I dont think that holds up. eg the humanitarian aid at some border crossings are being picketed by Israeli chuds. Sure there are some good Israelis but they aren’t the norm.

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            I’m sorry, are you FOR regimes that openly commit genocides? Grow the fuck up or pull the mask off.

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        You’re not going to have much of a better time here if you like Israel and aren’t critical of the US. Lemmy is full of socialists lol

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            You should look a little deeper into the history of modern Israel and Zionism. It’s always been a colonial project that necessitates genocide of the local population. I’m not going to get further into it here as it’s not really the place for this and people have already done the work. If you haven’t seen shaun’s video id recommend at least giving it a watch. I’ll leave the iron wall as well. It’s a short essay from one of the founders of Zionism. His views were quite explicit and highly influential at the time and his legacy is obvious in modern Israel. And lastly The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine. It’s a good book that plainly lays out the history of the Zionist colonial project from 1917-2017. I’m only halfway through it but it’s worth your time. Or just watch the video, it’s cites both the essay and book (among other things) and ties it all together very well.

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        Recommended by who though? Spez, that’s who. Race-baiting works to increase “engagement” e.g. clicks and comments, thus it continues.

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          So are you racist or a nationalist? There’s a difference between criticizing Netanyahu and Biden, and entire nations of people.

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            criticising Israel’s genocide of palestinians and consistent settlement of palestinian land going back 75 years and the American government unconditionally supporting them to do this for the last few decades regardless of political party isnt racist actually. I’m assuming you don’t think that just because I criticise the actions of the Russian government that makes me a white supremacist who hates all russian people.

            edit: im getting downvoted for saying genocide is bad and countries that commit genocide are bad lmao

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            Can we start treating the bullshit line of “I don’t hate the people I hate the government” for what it is? This is the 40th time in a row it’s been used by someone who absolutely does conflate a government and its people.

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        I deleted my 14 year old account after enough BS on Reddit

        Going there with no account but not really on private mode so i got recommendations for regional subs

        canada_sub keeps getting pushed. That sub is an alt right neo nazi echo chamber in which the founder and head mod admitted to astroturfing himself with multiple accounts to push hateful topics.

        Reddit is intentionally pushing misinformation and hatred for metrics to prop up the ipo

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        I mean, Israel hate is a relatively common position these days.

        Of course there are less than intelligent people that think “anti Israel…okay, so fuck the Jews!” Like, no. Fuck those people. And in a social media environment, nuance isn’t allowed. If it sounds like maybe you might be possibly on “the other side” of a popular issue, fuck you there is no room for understanding. It’s a huge problem. I’ve noticed more conversations on lemmy that don’t fall into that trap as easily. But, that does seem to be changing somewhat.

        It’s not entirely social media, that’s just people. But I do firmly believe social media has made this problem exponentially worse.

        I mean, it seems like you and I would disagree on the Israel/palestine issue. But we’re here discussing the discussion surrounding it. On Reddit, that literally never happened to me.

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          It doesn’t matter if it’s popular. It’s still racist or nationalist. Just like people who say “fuck Palestinians,” you’re labeling an entire nation or group for the actions of their leader(s).

          As an American, am I Biden or Trump? No. I’m an American. I should not be held accountable for the actions of the leader of my nation, even more so if I voted against them.

          Netanyahu won his last election with 64% of the popular vote, and is currently polling at 15% popularity with the Israelis.

          Hamas won the last election with 44.45% of the popular vote (similar to Trump, they won without popular majority).

          I’m just saying words matter. “Fuck Israel” means all Israelis. I think you may just mean “fuck Benjamin Netanyahu.” In that, you’d likely have support of most of the world.

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            Eh. It’s actually different. The popular position is that Israel the state is committing genocide. That’s not he same thing as saying “fuck Palestinians.” Because people aren’t saying “fuck Israelis.” They’re saying fuck Israel for what they’re doing.

            You seem to be implying the nimrods who, as I explained earlier, lack the concept of nuance and take anti-israel positions to the illogical extreme of just becoming antisemitic. It’s the same type of people who were assaulting anyone of Asian descent during Covid. You can’t lump everyone who was being careful not to get sick in with the people who were pushing old Asian women down the subway stairs.

            “Fuck Israel” means all Israelis

            What. No. It absolutely does not. That’s you being overly sensitive and basically misunderstanding a message. If I say “fuck the US” in the context of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, that doesn’t mean “fuck everyone from the US.” Thats such an illogical conclusion to come to.

            Also, I don’t know where you got your numbers, I can only find these figures about Netanyahu’s approval ratings in Israel:

            According to a survey of more than 700 people carried out by the Israel Democracy Institute this month, 57 percent of the public rates Netanyahu’s performance as “poor or very poor,” while only 28% believe it is “good or excellent.” 14% assess his performance as “so-so.”

            And this:

            On both questions, Israelis agree with Netanyahu: A poll last month by the Israel Democracy Institute found that nearly two-thirds of Israelis say Israel should “expand its military operations into Rafah.” A separate February poll by IDI found, by the same token, that 55% of Israelis oppose Palestinian statehood, compared to 37% who support it.

            https://en.idi.org.il/articles/53305

            This one survey is the source for those numbers, and it doesn’t paint as clear of a picture of not supporting Netanyahu. Now, this doesn’t mean anything about antisemitism. That’s always wrong. But my point is that, first off, you seem to be skewing numbers to make a point, unless you have data I can’t find. Secondly, you also seem to be falling in with that group of people who can’t grasp or don’t operate with any nuance. I can say fuck people who support the genocide, whether they are in Israel or elsewhere in the world. Because…it’s fucking genocide. That doesn’t mean I get to generalize about them and hate hem for unrelated qualities, like their religion or skin color. But I can hate their beliefs about what’s happening. It’s all about nuance. It’s very fucking important.

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                But that doesn’t change anything. If anything, wouldn’t that make it different than saying “fuck Palestine?” Because you’re basically saying fuck the idea of a Palestinian state. But if you say “fuck Israel,” you’re very clearly designating the state itself as the problem.

                Also, I wasn’t conflating those figures. I was citing a more recent poll that gave more context, as well as updated job favorability numbers. The poll you’re citing isn’t measuring favorability, but percentage of Israelis that want Netanyahu to “stay in office after the war in Gaza ends.”

                keep your prejudices away from the Palestinian and Israeli people.

                But that’s my entire point. There isn’t prejudice in saying “fuck Israel.” You’re projecting that onto the message. Your entire thing started with complaining that people are “anti-Israel” in a community. So I’m really just not even sure your point anymore.

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        I think r/InternationalNews was mainly created as a place to discuss issues free from the rampant Zionism of r/WorldNews.

        Happy to have people on Lemmy but I have to say, Lemmy as a whole seems way more anti-Israel than reddit right now. Although to be fair outside of r/WorldNews and a few other places, the general mood does seem to be shifting away from Israel pretty hard.

        For me this is nice to see, because fuck Israel right to hell, but you’ll certainly see the same type of content here. I like that if people don’t like it they can make their own community or even an instance, and also that people are generally more free to disagree here (partially due to lax moderation I guess). You should have never been banned for that comment by the sound of it, absolutely stupid.

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        im not on lemmy but I see regular buy drugs here, how to change your flight booking (no idea how that scam whatever it is works), or for some reason random keyboard characters like a person randomly banged on the homerow keys. may not be paid but apparently someone thinks the fediverse is worth crapping up.

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        No one is paying troll farms to go comment on lemmy though

        Could you tell that to the c/politics commenters who seem to think russian shills lurk behind every rock?

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          I don’t really think political spending is going towards Lemmy trolls, much less like…national propaganda spending. Shitty advertising bots maybe.

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            I don’t really think political spending is going towards Lemmy trolls

            Nor do I. I don’t think lemmy is large enough for such spending to have enough return on investment to make it worthwhile. But it’s convenient to dismiss deviations from centrist orthodoxy as the output of shills, and so it happens.

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            There are 2 million monthly active Lemmy users. That’s a vast untapped market of grassroots users many who likely aren’t on many other platforms, due to the nature of Lemmy.

            The first state actor to get in on the ground floor and shape the collective opinion of lemmings as a whole will influence the future outlook of every user of the fediverse. Especially young people. Majority opinion, majority rule.

            I believe we can see this taking place on instances like .world and hexbear, but I’m sure it’s happening in a semi-automated fashion across most instances.

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        It’s more like the far right is bored and doesn’t have anything better to do than troll on the internet.