All the news headlines and verdict said sexual abuse, which was kind of vague, but I just found out today that the judge clarified that this was a matter of legal definition and by the verdict of the trial and the case, trump has been found guilty of penetrative rape.

  • samson
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    8 months ago

    People say I’m guilty, he’s guilty etc but it’s unlikely to hear “they were found guilty” outside of jurisprudence, and to say that when referring to a judicial trial and then say you meant a lay term when the professional term exists is a bit lax.

    I wouldn’t say “WiFi” in place of “internet” while referring to an IT problem for example.

    • Varyk@sh.itjust.worksOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      8 months ago

      Less common outside of jurisprudence, sure. The term is purposefully in my personal TIL body text rather than the title where I kept things succinct and formal. Using a different term doesn’t change his guilt of rape, or that a jury legally found him liable for rape and a judge definitively found him guilty of rape.

      • samson
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        8 months ago

        It was found that he raped someone, he is guilty of rape, but a judge did not find him guilty of rape. Why do you insist so much on muddling the definitions of these things? It’s not good for democracy or the judicial process to use terms randomly and without definition.

        • Varyk@sh.itjust.worksOP
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          8 months ago

          Let’s help you along.

          The judge cited definitions offered by the American Psychological Association and the Justice Department, which in 2012 expanded its definition of rape to include penetration “with any body part or object.”

          Using the definition of the word rape, the judge declared trump guilty of rape.

          Having used definitions, this “judge definitively found him guilty of rape”.

          You may personally be more familiar with other uses of the words “definitively”, “judge”, “guilty”, “found” or “rape”, but their usage here is in no way inaccurate or untrue.