Honestly visiting an onsen was somewhat of an eye opener. I felt pretty comfortable with my body when all these normal dudes were naked and nobody cared about each others bodys.
I’m not surprised since your OP is boilerplate nudist justification and not really any exploration of paraphilia.
I think there’s a mile in between puritanical shame and thinking the body isn’t and shouldn’t be considered sexual and is fit for public consumption. Why is it important to desexualize the human body? What’s the benefit?
Gives people the choice whether they want to be sexualized or no. Like you shouldn’t have to wear a giant form-disguising hoodie just to keep from being ogled.
I suppose I could see that. I’m assuming you’re a woman or female-presenting cause that’s not something I can fully empathize with as a dude. But you do have the choice of dressing how you want to be perceived, no? I’m sure there are other options beyond wearing a trash bag of a top.
My guy we are literally the only creature on the entire planet with a sense of shame who covers our body. If you don’t think there’s benefit to at least understanding why this enormous difference exists, I can’t even begin to fathom what your mind is like
There’s a hell of a lot that separates us from other animals. Throw your smartphone in the trash and go frolic in the woods for the rest of your life if you are so convinced that thousands of years of human socialization is a mistake.
I don’t like being called a deviant…because I like that wearing clothes is the norm? Maybe in return I’d posit that you’re actually a bunch of perverts who enjoy casual sexual encounters, and all this talk about normalization is bullshit?
Show me where I said we should reject all human progress and revert to animals.
No, I simply said we should evaluate the social choices made by humanity, even ones as old as clothing. I’m not saying we should reject it all; I’m saying we should be thoughtful and investigate these things to find out if they hold true or not.
Personally, I think in the case of nudity and shame, we’ll quickly find it doesn’t really hold much water beyond empty religious mumbo-jumbo.
And who exactly is calling you a deviant for liking clothing? Was it not you who came in with the statement, “Nudists are weird people and I wouldn’t accept what they have to say about sexuality at face value,” and now you’re trying to act like you’re just responding to some sort of victimization from nudists of all people after throwing the first punch? Come on, dude.
But I’m sure it all does just come down to religious mumbo-jumbo bullshit for you because you said “perverts who enjoy casual sexual encounters,” as if a healthy casual sexual encounter is somehow a “perversion.”
I said “weird.” Furries are weird, those people who plaster their cars with bumper stickers are weird. That doesn’t mean that they’re bad or we have to do something about them. “Deviant” probably wasn’t the right word because what you insinuated with
I can’t even begin to fathom what your mind is like
Is much worse.
Hence, I said that last bit to make you mad, not because I actually believed that. Why should I just take your bullshit on the nose and move on?
There is nothing wrong with casual sex. There is something wrong with liking casual sex and simultaneously berating people for being horny or casting unwanted gazes.
Alright, fair, I’ll take the note on your use of deviant as a response to my unfathomable comment. I did not mean to imply your thinking was deviant, as that word comes with a negative suggestion, just incomprehensible, but I understand the ambiguity. So I retract my comment on victimhood with that new context.
I don’t retract the rest of my ire though, sorry, and now I’m confused as hell, because in what world are people who engage in casual sex the same ones berating people for being horny, and how is that relevant to the conversation at hand? I feel like I accidentally skipped a couple important chapters in the book that is this discussion.
Nudists think people who wear clothes and dont question whether their shame is vindicated are weird. I’m inclined to agree with them lol.
Honestly visiting an onsen was somewhat of an eye opener. I felt pretty comfortable with my body when all these normal dudes were naked and nobody cared about each others bodys.
I’m not surprised since your OP is boilerplate nudist justification and not really any exploration of paraphilia.
I think there’s a mile in between puritanical shame and thinking the body isn’t and shouldn’t be considered sexual and is fit for public consumption. Why is it important to desexualize the human body? What’s the benefit?
Gives people the choice whether they want to be sexualized or no. Like you shouldn’t have to wear a giant form-disguising hoodie just to keep from being ogled.
I suppose I could see that. I’m assuming you’re a woman or female-presenting cause that’s not something I can fully empathize with as a dude. But you do have the choice of dressing how you want to be perceived, no? I’m sure there are other options beyond wearing a trash bag of a top.
I never implied the body shouldn’t be considered sexual, I was just explaining why certain body parts are.
My guy we are literally the only creature on the entire planet with a sense of shame who covers our body. If you don’t think there’s benefit to at least understanding why this enormous difference exists, I can’t even begin to fathom what your mind is like
There’s a hell of a lot that separates us from other animals. Throw your smartphone in the trash and go frolic in the woods for the rest of your life if you are so convinced that thousands of years of human socialization is a mistake.
I don’t like being called a deviant…because I like that wearing clothes is the norm? Maybe in return I’d posit that you’re actually a bunch of perverts who enjoy casual sexual encounters, and all this talk about normalization is bullshit?
Show me where I said we should reject all human progress and revert to animals.
No, I simply said we should evaluate the social choices made by humanity, even ones as old as clothing. I’m not saying we should reject it all; I’m saying we should be thoughtful and investigate these things to find out if they hold true or not.
Personally, I think in the case of nudity and shame, we’ll quickly find it doesn’t really hold much water beyond empty religious mumbo-jumbo.
And who exactly is calling you a deviant for liking clothing? Was it not you who came in with the statement, “Nudists are weird people and I wouldn’t accept what they have to say about sexuality at face value,” and now you’re trying to act like you’re just responding to some sort of victimization from nudists of all people after throwing the first punch? Come on, dude.
But I’m sure it all does just come down to religious mumbo-jumbo bullshit for you because you said “perverts who enjoy casual sexual encounters,” as if a healthy casual sexual encounter is somehow a “perversion.”
So, like… grow up and get better opinions, maybe?
I said “weird.” Furries are weird, those people who plaster their cars with bumper stickers are weird. That doesn’t mean that they’re bad or we have to do something about them. “Deviant” probably wasn’t the right word because what you insinuated with
Is much worse.
Hence, I said that last bit to make you mad, not because I actually believed that. Why should I just take your bullshit on the nose and move on?
There is nothing wrong with casual sex. There is something wrong with liking casual sex and simultaneously berating people for being horny or casting unwanted gazes.
Alright, fair, I’ll take the note on your use of deviant as a response to my unfathomable comment. I did not mean to imply your thinking was deviant, as that word comes with a negative suggestion, just incomprehensible, but I understand the ambiguity. So I retract my comment on victimhood with that new context.
I don’t retract the rest of my ire though, sorry, and now I’m confused as hell, because in what world are people who engage in casual sex the same ones berating people for being horny, and how is that relevant to the conversation at hand? I feel like I accidentally skipped a couple important chapters in the book that is this discussion.