• ikt
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    7 days ago

    because you also make money for yourself

    which allows you to buy things

    and not live off the state

    you are also (given the motivation) also capable of working your way up the chain and making more money for yourself which allows you to put it towards not working at all and still not living off the state

    “Spend less than you earn—invest the surplus—avoid debt. Do simply this and you’ll wind up rich.”[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRE_movement

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      It’s a good thing that separation of corp and state is an inherent part of wage slavery.

      Could you imagine if you thought you were making an honest living parasitising some poor business owner with your wages only to find out you were actually living off the state the whole time?

      Embarrassing.

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      I would recommend people opt out of consumerism as much as possible and focus on sustainable living.

      Don’t chase the carrot needlessly.

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        Yeah agreed, I’ve always tried to follow minimalist living:

        Q: What is minimalist living?

        A: It’s simply getting rid of things you do not use or need, leaving an uncluttered, simple environment and an uncluttered, simple life. It’s living without an obsession with material things or an obsession with doing everything and doing too much. It’s using simple tools, having a simple wardrobe, carrying little and living lightly.

        https://mnmlist.com/minimalist-faqs/

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          Agreed. Reading and learning about Indigenous / precivilization world views can also help achieve this in a more holistic way. One thing that the Western / dominant world view only sparingly concerns itself with is sustainability. If we all thought about sustainable living as much as we did keeping up with the Joneses, I’d imagine many people would be happier, healthier and more fulfilled (compared to living a life serving capital).

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        Care to elaborate on your understanding and reality of how capitalism functions?

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          The whole point of capitalism is voluntary monarchy. Where peasants have to waste their time doing random things to extract productivity from other peasants for the benefit of the select few. And when things go bad for the business, guess who is not getting made redundant?

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            who doesn’t get made redundant?

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                ceos lose their jobs all the time

                This year has seen significant changes in CEO turnover. In the first quarter alone of 2024, outplacement and career transitioning firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas reported that 622 chief executives announced their resignations. This represents a 50% increase compared to the first quarter of 2023, which was already a record year for CEO exits.

                The surge in departures seen earlier this year can be attributed to the evolving business landscape, retirement of Baby Boomers and increased pressure on CEOs to navigate complex issues, including inflation, supply chain disruptions, and environmental, social and governance concerns.

                https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2024/08/19/ceos-facing-job-insecurity-like-workers/

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                    You said CEO’s don’t lose their jobs, if you paid attention to business news you’d know they lose them all the time

                    Also OBVIOUSLY it’s a drop in the ocean, there are simply less CEO’s than regular workers, that’s also why they are higher paid, because there is more demand for their skills

                    CEOs packages mean they don’t need to worry about actually how to pay their rent/mortgage

                    You’re thinking specifically of high paid CEO’s yeah? Obviously not thinking of small to medium businesses

                    According to the latest statistics on the percentage of businesses that fail in the United States, we see that of the 733,721 new businesses that were started in 2018, more than one-fifth (20.6%) closed in 2019, after just one year in operation.

                    The percentage of businesses that fail increased to 31.3% in the second year (2020) and 37.9% in the third year (2021). In other words, fewer than two-thirds of the businesses that started in 2018 remained in operation three years on.

                    In their fourth year (2022), 42.7% had shuttered and by the fifth year in 2023, the new business failure rate reached 48%. These numbers show that only around half of the businesses that started in 2028, or 381,337 of them, to be exact, were still surviving half a decade on.

                    It’s a brutal business the business business

                    What do workers get? Few months severance for decade of work.

                    So same as any other CEO, except usually even less if the business goes bust under your leadership

                    Wake up and see the numbers.

                    If being a CEO is so fuckin incredible it sounds like you should stop bitching and start attending a few management courses eh?

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      Please read actual books. It helps understanding why that is untrue.

      Here’s a lengthy book presentation from a german institute (in english). Its not as harsh as i would have written it but its a start.