Elon Must is just an idiot. A useful idiot to those who fund him like the Saudis, but an idiot all the same.
He’s a useful idiot to us as well in lots of ways. The current EV situation only exists because of him. Space travel etc is only happening again because of him.
Keep in mind if it weren’t for him, the USA would have started building high speed rail by now. And remember that the ego rockets have a massive detrimental environmental impact.
Keep in mind if it weren’t for him, the USA would have started building high speed rail by now.
Elon Musk doesn’t control if the government builds a high speed rail or not. If the Government wanted a high speed rail line they would have started building one by now.
And remember that the ego rockets have a massive detrimental environmental impact.
Calling them “ego rockets” is silly. Those “ego rockets” are better for the environment than normal rockets, and they’re helping to further mankind.
They did the same thing in my comment thread. Ignored my source, cherry-picked a single argument they had a rebuttal for, and dismissed any culpability SpaceX could have had.
California had plans to build high speed rail. Elon Musk convinced them to fund his hyperloop project instead.
Remember that recent SpaceX rocket that exploded on the launchpad? That pollutes the area and could have been predicted by any actual expert. It’s a waste of resources when the society needs them elsewhere.
Remember that recent SpaceX rocket that exploded on the launchpad? That pollutes the area and could have been predicted by any actual expert.
It did not explode on the launchpad. It exploded 4 minutes into flight, at an altitude of 39 kilometers.
There was no “pollution” in the area. A bunch of pulverized concrete and sand got thrown around. They actually did expect the pad to be damaged by the launch, just not quite to that extent; they already knew they would need to rebuild it with a more robust design but figured it would survive one test launch so they delayed the planned renovations until after the launch.
Even if it had exploded on the launch pad, it would not have polluted the area, Starship is fuelled with liquid oxygen and liquid methane. Whatever didn’t burn would have simply evaporated away.
If you’re going to criticize Elon Musk or SpaceX you should use criticisms that are actually based on real facts, otherwise you end up hurting your position.
Isn’t methane one of the worst greenhouse gasses? It doesn’t have as much longevity as carbon dioxide but traps significantly more heat and will decompose into carbon dioxide afterward. The debris apparently also affected hundreds of acres of land, including damaging the habitats of protected wildlife. As well as that, Musk chose to forgo launchpad frame trenches which are historically used to keep launch pads from exploding but didn’t have his water-cooled steel plate idea ready, so instead idiotically used nothing (Source). In the past, I would have been willing to write off these mistakes as unfortunate but unpredictable, but after seeing the debacle with Twitter I’ve honestly come to believe that Elon Musk is a profoundly stupid man that just got lucky.
Yes, methane is a greenhosue gas. The amount that would have been released would have been negligible on a global scale, and it certainly wouldn’t have “polluted the area” as phi1997 stated.
The debris apparently also affected hundreds of acres of land, including damaging the habitats of protected wildlife.
It “affects” hundreds of acres of land in the sense that it is part of it. It’s gravel, essentially. Gravel on a beach.
Do you have any evidence that it damaged the habitats of protected wildlife? The FAA has been conducting environmental assessments and they have the authority to shut down operations if they think there’s a danger. They haven’t.
Musk chose to forgo launchpad frame trenches which are historically used
The water table is just a few meters below the surface of the ground. Building a flame trench is impractical. It would also be far more environmentally disruptive. And just because it’s “historically” used doesn’t mean it’s the best approach. Rockets are historically disposable, the whole point of Starship is to break with historical traditions.
but didn’t have his water-cooled steel plate idea ready,
Indeed. As I explicitly said above:
they already knew they would need to rebuild it with a more robust design but figured it would survive one test launch so they delayed the planned renovations until after the launch.
If they’d decided to delay launching until they had the steel plates in place they’d only just now be getting ready to do their first test launch rather than their second.
California had plans to build high speed rail. Elon Musk convinced them to fund his hyperloop project instead.
So who’s fault is that? The people that decided to give elon musk the money. Why on earth would they go with a private company instead of building a public high speed rail? That story doesn’t make any sense.
It’s a waste of resources when the society needs them elsewhere.
What resources are wasted in SpaceX rockets that society would otherwise use elsewhere?
Why on earth would they go with a private company instead of building a public high speed rail?
This one’s easy. American governments are obsessed with the idea that the market is the most efficient way to do things and thus will immediately jump towards the private solution, even if it’s inferior.
He’s a useful idiot to us as well in lots of ways. The current EV situation only exists because of him. Space travel etc is only happening again because of him.
Keep in mind if it weren’t for him, the USA would have started building high speed rail by now. And remember that the ego rockets have a massive detrimental environmental impact.
Elon Musk doesn’t control if the government builds a high speed rail or not. If the Government wanted a high speed rail line they would have started building one by now.
Calling them “ego rockets” is silly. Those “ego rockets” are better for the environment than normal rockets, and they’re helping to further mankind.
“Better for the environment.”
Oh ok
Massive, exploded SpaceX rocket devastated a town and a wildlife reserve — and locals are furious
SpaceX used wildlife preserve as ‘dumping ground for space waste,’ lawsuit alleges
What NASA Can Teach SpaceX About Environmentally Friendly Rocket Launches
Why did you conveniently leave off the rest of my sentence there?
Also come on…talking about how many birds might have died from the rockets explosion way up in the sky, when the likely answer is zero? Really?
Why did you cherry pick the one thing you can dismiss and ignore that they’ve been causing actual environmental damage?
When that’s one of the first and main points brought up in the article and it’s so stupid it basically screams “this article is garbage”.
You’re talking about environmental damage limited to some tiny little area around the launch site. If that’s the best you’ve got, give up.
Some people are definitely worth talking to and discussing opposing viewpoints.
You do not seem to be one of those people. Have a lovely day.
They did the same thing in my comment thread. Ignored my source, cherry-picked a single argument they had a rebuttal for, and dismissed any culpability SpaceX could have had.
Are you the person that blamed musk for the government choosing him over building a high speed rail?
If not, what are you talking about?
California had plans to build high speed rail. Elon Musk convinced them to fund his hyperloop project instead.
Remember that recent SpaceX rocket that exploded on the launchpad? That pollutes the area and could have been predicted by any actual expert. It’s a waste of resources when the society needs them elsewhere.
It did not explode on the launchpad. It exploded 4 minutes into flight, at an altitude of 39 kilometers.
There was no “pollution” in the area. A bunch of pulverized concrete and sand got thrown around. They actually did expect the pad to be damaged by the launch, just not quite to that extent; they already knew they would need to rebuild it with a more robust design but figured it would survive one test launch so they delayed the planned renovations until after the launch.
Even if it had exploded on the launch pad, it would not have polluted the area, Starship is fuelled with liquid oxygen and liquid methane. Whatever didn’t burn would have simply evaporated away.
If you’re going to criticize Elon Musk or SpaceX you should use criticisms that are actually based on real facts, otherwise you end up hurting your position.
Isn’t methane one of the worst greenhouse gasses? It doesn’t have as much longevity as carbon dioxide but traps significantly more heat and will decompose into carbon dioxide afterward. The debris apparently also affected hundreds of acres of land, including damaging the habitats of protected wildlife. As well as that, Musk chose to forgo launchpad frame trenches which are historically used to keep launch pads from exploding but didn’t have his water-cooled steel plate idea ready, so instead idiotically used nothing (Source). In the past, I would have been willing to write off these mistakes as unfortunate but unpredictable, but after seeing the debacle with Twitter I’ve honestly come to believe that Elon Musk is a profoundly stupid man that just got lucky.
Yes, methane is a greenhosue gas. The amount that would have been released would have been negligible on a global scale, and it certainly wouldn’t have “polluted the area” as phi1997 stated.
It “affects” hundreds of acres of land in the sense that it is part of it. It’s gravel, essentially. Gravel on a beach.
Do you have any evidence that it damaged the habitats of protected wildlife? The FAA has been conducting environmental assessments and they have the authority to shut down operations if they think there’s a danger. They haven’t.
The water table is just a few meters below the surface of the ground. Building a flame trench is impractical. It would also be far more environmentally disruptive. And just because it’s “historically” used doesn’t mean it’s the best approach. Rockets are historically disposable, the whole point of Starship is to break with historical traditions.
Indeed. As I explicitly said above:
If they’d decided to delay launching until they had the steel plates in place they’d only just now be getting ready to do their first test launch rather than their second.
So who’s fault is that? The people that decided to give elon musk the money. Why on earth would they go with a private company instead of building a public high speed rail? That story doesn’t make any sense.
What resources are wasted in SpaceX rockets that society would otherwise use elsewhere?
This one’s easy. American governments are obsessed with the idea that the market is the most efficient way to do things and thus will immediately jump towards the private solution, even if it’s inferior.
So they’re the ones to blame, not musk.