we appear to be the first to write up the outrage coherently too. much thanks to the illustrious @self

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    I went to Proton for the explicit reason I didn’t want Google scanning all my docs. Glad I moved away from them now, hopefully Fastmail doesn’t do the same.

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        Doesn’t sound like it

        Your prompt — that is, the email you’re writing — is kept in plain text on their server

        Besides, I just don’t want AI in general, is that too much to ask? I wonder how long it will be until there are companies actively promoting their lack of AI.

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          it can run locally, but Proton discourages it in their marketing, it has very high system requirements, and it requires you use a chromium-based browser (which is a non-starter for a solid chunk of Proton’s userbase). otherwise, it uses the cloud version of the feature, which works exactly like the quote describes, though Proton tries to pretend otherwise; it’s actually incredibly out of the ordinary that they pushed this feature at all without publishing anything about its threat model.

          it’s unclear what happens if the feature’s enabled and set to local but you switch to a computer that can’t run the LLM. it’s also just fucked that there’s two identical versions of the same feature, but one of them exfiltrates your data.

          Besides, I just don’t want AI in general, is that too much to ask?

          you’re not alone. the other insulting part of this is that the vast majority of Proton’s userbase indicated they didn’t want this feature in responses to Proton’s 2024 survey, which was effectively constructed to make it impossible to say no to the LLM feature, since the feature portion of the survey was stack ranked. the blog post introducing Scribe even lies about the results of the survey — an LLM wasn’t even close to being the most requested feature.

          e: and for those curious who missed it in the article, the system requirements for the local version of the feature are here

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          I wonder how long it will be until there are companies actively promoting their lack of AI.

          Its already happening, to some extent, but not mainly among the big corps. Grabbing some random examples I could find:

          I’m probably missing some examples, but I think my point’s made.

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          https://proton.me/blog/proton-scribe-writing-assistant

          Much like other Proton services, Scribe goes to extra lengths for maximum privacy. Scribe is the first mass-market AI tool that can be run entirely locally on your device, ensuring no data ever leaves your device. You can find the device and browser system requirements here, which we will expand over time. If you prefer, you can also run Scribe on our secure, no-logs servers.

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        read the fucking article before you multi-post your uninformed shit in this thread, thanks