politicsenjoyer [she/her]

I didn’t shift. I just fully understand that there’s exactly one breed over which breed characteristics is a hot button issue, and so I’m just anticipating the discursive application of these results.

example on how connected “dog breeds” and eugenics are:

Whether or not eugenicists were involved in early dog breeding (which, if you look at breeds like German shepherds or pugs, is obviously evil) has no relevance whatsoever on the existence of dog breed behavioral characteristics.

Pitbulls are fine and the fear around them is largely based in racism.

The only people I’ve known with poorly socialized pitbulls have been white rednecks bragging about how their huntin pit needed a train chain to be kept away from other dogs at home. The only ones with well socialized pits who I still saw maul a kid were white suburban people. The danger from pitbulls is empirical, and trying to paint your opponents as bigoted is a despicable exploitation of racial tension for rhetorical purpose. And one that’s totally unnecessary given that the data is right there.

The bazinga is off the charts in this one.

You posted a science article to c/science. It’s not “bazinga” to criticize shitty (or in this case, poorly messaged) scientific research in a science comm.

the study speaks to this. it is present, but extremely limited. clearest example was hounds barking more and border collies being a bit more proficient at learning commands.

You and I both know that the main use of this study in discourse will be over pitbulls, whether they exhibit breed specific aggression and attack behavior (latching, etc.), and whether they overall pose a danger to own as a pet.

Awesome, I guess I can just own a husky in my apartment just like a chihuahua and not worry about it, because its breed characteristics of being high energy and needing physical exercise (even compared to similar sized dogs) were just make believe! I guess retrievers being gentle, shiba inus being willful, and pitbulls having strong latching tendencies is all just a collective delusion.

Dog breed characteristics are absolutely real, and even considering them comparable to human genetic behaviors is basically doing race science believers’ work for them. “Behaviors” among humans are completely different than an instinct driven animal like a dog, which is why evopsych and race science shit are trash science.

Looking at the actual study, the problems that cause the obviously bogus result are:

• They are going by survey responses. I can’t even start to explain how this does nothing except aggregate beliefs. Who is gonna be like “oh yeah my sweet baby pitbull Cupcakes is extremely aggressive to other dogs and children and exhibits strong latching instinct!”
• Dangerous dog breeds often attack instinctually in ways that are completely different than their socialized nature. If you say your dog has never done something, that’s not the same as saying the dog doesn’t have a tendency towards it.
• They had to further muddle the data by trying to highlight a linear correspondence between breed DNA and reliability of that behavior. That’s not how DNA works. For example, Corgi visual phenotypes are fairly dominant so breeding them with anything else will be guaranteed to look more like a Corgi. If you assume behavior is determined by DNA, the same idea applies.

If you want to insultingly compare this to human eugenic atrocities, then try going over to eastern Europe and do a survey of 20,000 people on what behaviors they’ve observed from different groups of people. Let me know how great the survey approach turns out there.

I think where this more likely applies is how every dog breed has a laundry list of ultraspecific behavioral tendencies that really tend to be nonsense in the same way wine tasting notes are often silly. They’re way too specific and determined by limited subjective experience and bias. But you can absolutely identify broad characteristics among breeds.