All a progressive 3rd party candidate can accomplish is a Biden loss.
Sounds like Biden should make some compromises in order to get those votes then doesn’t it?
the consequences of ceding everything
Ok then don’t cede everything. Cede something. Make an offer.
Sounds like you’d rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives.
If you think cutting off arms to Israel and promising not to block strikes is “everything” you really aren’t paying attention. And please, take a moment to consider what compromises Biden has made with progressives and leftists. Give me some examples.
Let’s have an honest discussion about where in between “nothing” and “everything” compromises have been made for the policies and decisions leftists and progressives are fighting for.
I’m not content waiting around another 16 years hoping something will change. Especially when nobody telling me to keep hanging on has any confidence the next 16 years will be any different.
That just sounds like an attempt to deflect blame away from moderate voters. They undermine, sabotage and attack every effort by progressives and leftists. Then they turn around and expect us to show up in the general election after fucking us over for four years.
Exactly. And 2016, and 2012 and 2008 and every year in between.
You act as though progressives are the silent majority. We are deeply the minority in this country
Then we cannot possibly be primarily responsible when a Democrat candidate loses in the general election can we?
What’s more is have you analyzed what would happen if Biden pivots heavily to us but loses the more conservative moderates who are the majority or more importantly, swing voters in swing states…?
Are you acknowledging moderates would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives?
Glad to hear it. How long until that results in some material improvements for the American people? 10 years? 20? 30? I’ve already waited 16 years.
Bargaining chips occur during primaries;
Oh? Is that why we got Biden? Because of all those bargaining chips we have?
Anyway you didn’t even try to deny that moderates will just give us the finger and walk away. You know it’s true.
Biden is a strike blocking, genocide supporting procorporate piece of shit.
I say no, it is not the time to negotiate. It is time to fall in line and deal with the big fish first
You would have us negotiate only after we’ve given away the biggest bargaining chip we have? I can tell you exactly how that’s gonna go. Moderates will give us the finger and call it a day.
Free pass for moderates. Lectures for everybody else. Got it.
No thanks.
You asked compromise. He did shit.
He stood somewhere? That’s your example of “compromise”?
We’re trying to minimize our losses as best we can, and right now,
You mean “forever”.
If third parties really want to make a change, they need to go after smaller, local elections, you build up a movement from the ground up.
We’ve tried. Moderates fight us there too.
Considering Biden was on the picket line with the auto strikers, I disagree. Considering Biden is trying to shovel weapons to a Taiwan and to Ukraine, and yes unfortunately to Israel as well, he at least has criticized and made requests for ceasefires and hostage exchanges.
Oh by “discussion” you thought I meant you say what you think, get your way and the rest of us just shut up and deal with it? That isn’t what I meant. I hope I’ve clarified that for you. This right here is a discussion and it’s only happening because you need something from me. The moment you don’t need my vote you’ll go right back to the kinds of “discussions” you’re talking about.
When? You didn’t want to discuss it at any point in the last four years.
suggest you want it all or nothing
“Don’t block strikes and don’t support genocide.” is “all or nothing”?
But right now we’re literally trying to fight off a fascist Hitler wanna-be, how about we fucking discus this later?”
When? You didn’t want to discuss it at any point in the last four years.
Perhaps that’s because you have enough that’s worth protecting and then you turn around and shame people for acting differently because they do not.
Stop attack leftists and progressives. Go after moderates.