@chemical_cutthroat
Again, all of your analogical effort presumes that an LLM is synthesizing. When I say, specifically, they generate outputs based on statistical probability it’s not at all the same as a sentient process of reiterative learning based on their available knowledge.

If you can’t get that distinction, then all the effort to respond to you will expect too much from me (personally; I wish the best to others who’d like). If you’re really sincere though, honestly it’s been best elaborated by Timnit Gebru and Emily Bender in their writings about the “stochastic parrot”. Please do have a read. https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3442188.3445922
@stopthatgirl7

@chemical_cutthroat

If I do a book report based on a book that I picked up from the library, am I violating copyright? If I write a movie review for a newspaper that tells the plot of the film, am I violating copyright?

The first conceptual mistake in this analogy is assuming the LLM entity is “writing”. A person or a sentient being writing is still showing signs of intellectual work, which is how the example book report and movie review will not be accused of plagiarism, which is very very basically stealing someone’s output but one that is not made legally ownership of (which then brings it to copyright infringement territory).

LLMs are producing text based on statistical probability meaning it is quite literally aping/replicating the aesthetic form of a known genre of textual output, which in these cases are given the legal status of intellectual property. So yes, an LLM-generated textual output that is in the form of a book report or movie review looks the way it does by copying with no creative intent previous works of the genre. It’s the same way YouTube video essays get taken down if it’s just a collection of movie clips that might sound like a full dialogue. Of course in that example yt clip, if you can argue it’s a creative output where an artist is forming a new piece out of a collage of previous media, the rights owner to those movie clips might lose their claim to the said video. You can’t make that defence with OpenAI.

@stopthatgirl7

@revampeduser assuming you’ve subscribed so that the community is now regularly fetched from/pushed to kbin.social, then it’s likely a momentary hiccup with the federation which can be instance-specific

I didn’t want to eta, so addition: what is being federated right now is readability and participation - with your kbin account you can absolutely interact with other fedi posts. But on the client-side options for a cross-platform one that can also be useable with a threadi login is still unavailable.

@adonis

@adonis the quickest answer is that the clients you’ve explored are optimized for a specific fedi software. Pre-reddit meltdown most clients developed were designed for Mastodon and its forks or close cousins whose backend are coherent like Pixelfed. This includes the Mastodon app itself. There are other microblog softwares, like Calckey - they also don’t parse the same way so most fedi clients for microblogs can’t log you in to your Calckey instance.

With the threadiverse softwares, none of them are rendered the same way as Mastodon, so that’s why you can’t login with those clients. And with the threadiverse clients, currently what’s available are software-specific - jerboa only works with Lemmy for example. Interoperable threadi clients are in heavy development though, if you don’t mind waiting. At the moment there is no Kbin-optimized clients.

Sooooo for today, if you have a Masto-flavoured account, it’s almost a given any of the popular clients can log you in. Hope that helps!

@CarlsIII aye no worries - fair ask

@Friend

@CarlsIII try click on More at the original post and select Copy to Fediverse. That’ll get you the originating url. This works for every type of post and comment.

@Friend

@xtremeownage Downvotes do nothing here to trigger deletion or admin action.

@CynAq you don’t have to defed entire instances, if the instance themselves are willing to keep to their own principles. If that’s not kept or they’ve changed their position, it is actually Fedi culture to date, to defed (this is on instance to instance basis). Federation isn’t being connected to everyone, it’s practicing the right to associate. That’s why if you don’t agree with your instance, unlike closed systems, you have the right/freedom to move.

(The problem is the moving so far only carries your social graph not post history. So yes there is a penalty - but this also incentivize users to also push their admins to act more representatively. Assuming that’s what the majority wants)

@macallik
Absolutely. If this is true then for the other small to mid-size instances it’s not just an existential threat philosophically but technically. They’re expecting Threads onboarding might just knock out instances because of the traffic. Might as well limit or block just for your own performance metrics.

@YourClarke hahaha don’t worry. I’ve really only been on Fedi since Nov 22 and kbin at the same time as you guys set up this Lemmy instance. I think the redditors will get the hang of it, certainly faster than Twitterjaya (I’m in perma-eyeroll mode since you guys arrived, because those are my gang. I’m even here cos someone made a big fuss about Elon. Guess where they are at now? Twitter ppl are babies. Mastodon as a platform was at least a few years old and they whined so much. Boo hoo have to pick instance, dunno who to talk to, feed so empty blablabla. But look at you guys! Most of the two major protocols are still held together by string lmao and you make it work.)

The main thing about Fedi protocols is that janji we can roughly talk to each other. Some functionalities across the microblogs pun not shared (I’ve only mentioned a couple), but it’s doable, we make it work. Since joining my to-read tabs blew up and there’s less Main Character discourse. So it’s been a real nice change. But i was missing Malaysia content and community A LOT (hence my eyeroll at Twitterjaya). The current kbin state of things pun (like how when I’m logged on my kbin.social account i can see who upvoted) is probably because of what i explained above but also it’s not even three months old. Lmao the dev is just some Polish kid. Lemmy is much older but a lot of ppl avoided because the main instance and devs are full-on tankies. The Reddit wave made it moot since you can always 1) make your instance; 2) fork the programme if tak puas hati with those devs and maintain your own codebase.

In any case for your example you get Lemmy features when your account is on an instance running Lemmy and kbin when otherwise but not both at the same time. Takpe, it’s not gonna be too hard. And besides monyet.cc is set up, so at least you know how to hang out here. And from here, if you’re signed in as monyet.cc accounts, you absolutely can find other comms such as kbin ones too. Can one can one :)

@macallik and if you scroll down the comments, Byron from Universeodon, who did take the earlier meeting, did provide some vague points from the meeting. Relating to your point about big instances, it seems likely that FB wants to throw money at them so that they won’t become overwhelmed by the ensuing traffic (unlike the rest of us, I guess…) so they can demonstrate that the Instagram bridge (it’s an IG product) works.

@giallo @madjo @nameless_prole @stevecrox

@Annoyed_Crabby oh no, downvote also I can see, being a kbin user. It’s the other microblog protocols that won’t register anything. (if you feel nak lepas geram, this may be useful info, if you’re adding any fedi accounts to your timeline/stream/subscription view (I assume you guys have this)

@imaginelizard @dcx

@dcx @Annoyed_Crabby lol i think because kbin was written as being both link aggregation like Lemmy but also microblogging like Mastodon, Calckey, Akkoma etc. And before Reddit, the expectation must be because the main audience will be bloggers who’ll be visiting from federated spaces (chewah cam star trek). So upvote maps to likes; boosts is reblogs; downvotes go nowhere (since blogging platforms don’t have these).

It’s memang quite interpretative dance la - Calckey (and all the *keys) can give emoji reacts but it just shows up as likes on my Masto fork.

That’s why I thought i better bring it up. It semi looks like Reddit but backend lain sikit.

Anyway… I can see… But idk if adding a photo will add load so here’s the direct link of this comm on kbin.social: https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/77005/c-cafe-daily-chat-thread-for-23-June-2023#entry-comment-342733

Each comment has a More - then select Activity ok kesian runs away like Discord before the Trojan War

@imaginelizard

Double-checking for you guys on Lemmy: you can also see who upvoted right? It federates into a like on the microblog side.

@furrowsofar very much this point. There’s an additional issue related to (kbin) infra as well, it does fetch content and present it as tho that person posted on the microblog here and short of contacting an admin, no user-level way to delete it (since they can’t actually login)

@asjmcguire the user-level block means you the user can’t see the post. It’s still being fetched at instance level. So in terms of avoiding hate speech (political problem), good and quick step to do. In terms of overwhelming an instance with traffic (the technical problem), not so much.

@asjmcguire i was talking about kbin. The AP programming language (eta: yes it’s called protocol or standard as well iirc) is definitely old :)

The fact that kbin does fetch posts from originating instances without instances having the setting to allow or disallow is a problem once something with the computing power of meta and its userbase comes on board. Because mastodon for example doesn’t have whitelists, only blocklists.

@neonfire scheduled posting would also be good, to stagger the cross-posting imo

@polygon I’ll be interested to see this happen in the threadiverse side of things (all these link aggregation protocols like L/k right now). In the larger fediverse, this (tracking hashtags) is basically the number one way to do discoverability (i won’t get into why but suffice to say straight search isn’t fully supported technically and normatively). All the microblogging protocols (masto is one) allows you to follow hashtags (and the contents will show up on your timeline without having to follow accounts), though how it’s done is different based on protocol. I’m curious to see why L/k doesn’t automatically allow user accounts to do this, perhaps that was the whole point of the comms/mags.

@TerryMathews @Stardust