while it is easy to place all the blame on Hannah Arendt’s 1950s political work, I do believe :porky-happy: would have come up with this little rhetorical trick with or without her writing The Origins of Totalitarianism

Alan Moore always hated capeshit and wrote Watchmen specifically as a deconstruction of it. imo “The Boys” is just Information Age Watchmen.

anyway here’s a picture of Mr. Moore himself back in the 80s, when he wrote Watchmen :marx-goth:

NATO leftists

Not a real thing. They’re just imperialists. It doesn’t matter how progressive they are on social issues when they only want equality and wealth redistribution in their country while supporting an organization that does shit like this

I agree with your political conclusions that being anti-west is necessary in all scenarios but not your characterization that comrades enjoy the carnage.

You live inside a Nazi regime, your inaction is complicity, and your attack of the enemies of your regime is a betrayal of socialism and internationalism

Socialism is the enemy of the United States, which is the imperial center of gravity. The Russian federation and Ukraine are both products of the destruction of the USSR by the United States. To the extent that the Russian federation is an “enemy” of the united states, it is only because it stands in the way of Unipolar US hegemony, but not in the way of Capitalism itself. I sincerely hope the bourgeois Russian government is ousted and Communists take power in Russia again. And I hope the same for the US. You’re right, inaction is complicity. I’ll try to demonstrate more against my country’s actions, even if it gets me and my family tortured and killed.

how am I fence sitting when I said NATO/US/EU caused this war and also destroyed the USSR? Like if Ukraine and Russia were both still socialist and part of the USSR, and if NATO didn’t exist, none of this would possible.

So because NATO previously looted Russia that makes it more ok for NATO to attack them now?

I’m not pro NATO or think it’s OK for NATO to do anything it has done. Where did I say it was ok for NATO to do anything? NATO shouldn’t exist. And neither should the Russian federation. Bring back the USSR. Russian federation only exists because NATO destroyed the USSR through US-backed privatization and looting.

So you aren’t a Leninist? Lenin is talking about foreign capitalist nations and how attacking them while your own imperialist nation is at war is a form of imperialist intrigue. You are just doing ultraleftism right now and not principled Leninism.

The US/NATO/EU are responsible for the war, and they’re also responsible for the Russian federation existing in its current form. I don’t think I’m doing “imperialist intrigue” since Russian Federation wouldn’t exist in the first place if it weren’t for US/NATO/EU. If I criticize Russian Federation in any way, it is only insofar as they are a direct result of US imperialism. Hope that makes sense. Same goes for Ukraine and any other post-soviet country. They’re all victims of US imperialism. To the extent that the meme is an incomplete or lazy metaphor, I apologize. I was hoping it could pipeline libs away from a pro-NATO stance but if it fails at that, maybe it needs to be rethought.

Principled: Oppose NATO and work to stop weapon shipments and push for peaceful negotiation as soon as possible

Unprincipled: oppose everyone equally and sit on your ass going “let them fight”

I don’t oppose everyone equally or think the fighting should continue. I’d agree that a peaceful negotiation is necessary as soon as possible. But I don’t see NATO relenting, or Russia letting its guard down, or the Ukraine govt. accepting any peace terms put forward by Russia.

Both sidesism that includes your side is fence sitting

I didn’t include “My side”. None of these bourgeois nations or international institutions represent the working class.

I think Russia’s invasion was strategically necessary from a bourgeois nationalist perspective of protecting themselves from NATO expansion, and I absolutely think NATO/US/EU carry the largest responsibility in provoking the war. We should stand against all forms of bourgeois nationalism, while recognizing Russia and Ukraine as victims of US imperialism, and a byproduct of US-backed privatization in the 90s. I hope this isn’t right deviationism but feel free to correct and critique this stance.

i have never fed the algorithm by clicking any of that man’s shit, but I can tell just from the titles and thumbnails that he has single-handedly resurrected the medieval morality play in all its unsubtle glory

“I’ll call them what they are then - rapist, pedophiles, murderous barbarian hordes.” - top comment

i have heard this exact argument made for why being gay had to be recriminalized in the USSR before

and it’s cringe and wrong when those people use it, too

i remember trying to tell my lib grandma some of this stuff, and she constantly just tone policed me. “You should breathe more.” “Calm down.” “You’re talking too fast.” “You know you sound really angry right now.” “I can’t pay attention to what you’re saying when you get like this.”

This bizarre part of this is I was being very calm, slow, patient, and was taking care to police my own tone. I wasn’t actually worked up. It felt like a deliberate strategy of avoidance.

:pit: :stalin-gun-1::stalin-gun-2: do my math homework nerd