Based.

“Whats your body count?”

“My gunpowder stocks have fallen, billions of creepers must die.”

Oh yeah fuckface? Well my name is Yoshikage Kira. I’m 33 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Morioh, where all the villas are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the Kame Yu department stores, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don’t smoke, but I occasionally drink. I’m in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I’m trying to explain that I’m a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn’t lose to anyone.

Alas, it is none other than Lord Commander St. Bhagavan Shree Matt Christman (SWT) awaits at the end…

in this context, antisemetism = supporting Palestine, because dont you know that arabs are inherently violent savages whose very existence is a threat?

“i will continue criticizing the fascists for their genocide by mentioning that I criticize them, while mostly being a good cuck by giving credence to their false justifications for the genocide, I am very smart”

Us, if we fall for their lies again

What “we”? You’re just a bunch of liberals playing dress up, your political involvement is just a performance that stops when you log out of reddit and vooote for Genocide Joe. No connection at all to the political legacy of the anarchists who risked life and limb for humanity.

blue eye samurai

that fucking hurt to read

All I see are 6 failed to low tier normies who need to get the fuck out of my internet.

Nvm they’re kids, thought they were freshmen, sad to see the brains of the youth get ruined so early

JFL they unironically want to do the Shimoneta government

the 90s and 2000s were such great times. Everybody was just chilling and enjoying the greatest era of innovation and entertainment

Thats just called going to school middle class in the calm before american capitalism, obungler and co. bungled up 2008. Now its just mourning a lost future by haunting the past.

No, this displacement and genocide preceded the incorporation of the state of Israel as a political entity, continues currently, and could extend beyond it’s existence if there were a devolution into the local communes.

No? Lot of words to say absolutely nothing but unintentional Zionist apologia. “Hurr our country is ok bcuz the region already had a genocide!!!”

The act of creating isntreal necessitated the conquest of Palestine by Britain and the forceful settlement of Palestinian land.

*And “this displacement and genocide preceded the incorporation of the state of Isntreal” is a stupid thing to say because its literally saying “bro the map was green from the beginning in the early 20th century!” As if the genocide was going to happen anyways and then Isntreal was just created by accident lmao

This act of stealing the land and holding it from the indigenous population is to be opposed regardless of what intellectual or legal framework can be roped around it to ‘legitimize’ it.

Literally what I said but ok. “B-bbbubt akshualasflaslfy you-ACK” its not an “intellectual” or “legal” argument to say that its wrong and unjust to genocide a population.

Talk of Israel’s ‘right to defend itself’ is metaphysical drivel attempting to legitimate genocide.

So is talk of “Israel’s” “right to exist” because a settler colonial state that is only there to steal land and commits genocide must be destroyed no matter what.

I do have bad news for you on that front.

Are you already an academic? Feel bad for your students bud, to have a liberal as their teacher. I hope they all submit their work 9 seconds before the deadline so you have to speed grade it lmao

Yes, clearly, but notice that we’re talking about the evilness of actions, not attributes or essences.

The action of creating isntreal was the displacement and genocide of Palestinians. Your argument is still invalid.

Also, observe how,

“and when I linked to yours as an example. Everyone’s response was”

Transitions to:

Let’s not pretend that everyone agreed with you, and let’s further note that all the examples you cite are more careful than you, calling for the expulsions of settlers, not all Israelis.

“w-well according to a source that is different to the one I was referring to originally!”

6 likes on 1st image shilling for UN definition.

28 likes on expected social balancing response post to the original mocking of OP.

Guy on 3rd image (same as image 1) got fucked in the comments immediately after.

4th image has 18 likes without even having seen the comment.

*I mean even without addressing these images you are a fool who didnt check what people actually said to you when you made that post which you referred to as a gotcha just now lmao

5th image hadnt even read my post either and assumed it was someone literally going “HURRR muh TKD!!111!!11”

6th image is mod doing their job at addressing community needs, i dont question their authority.

pretending Israel doesn’t exist

Youre a total idiot who thinks “israel isnt real” literally means that isntreal doesnt exist and is just an imaginary phenomenon. No, as I explained before, it literally means it has no legitimacy as a state and must be destroyed.

but it is an actual way to create a state, it is how Israel was created

Sorry this is where we disagree, I don’t recognize the legitimacy of its statehood because doing so would be to recognize that it has claims to lands that it stole by genociding the people living there. This is wrong and unjust.

I recognize that “israel” refers to something, and that something is an invading force of settler occupiers who run a human slaughterhouse. Its a settler colonial society at its core with all of its systems of power geared towards the genocide of Palestine to steal land. Just like how a gun is designed to shoot bullets, Isntreal is designed to kill Palestinians.

Nazi Germany can and was opposed without having to sift through the metaphysical fluff of whether or not they ‘happened to be’ or ‘must have been’ evil genocidal maniacs.

Because they literally were??? Like fucking Isntreal??? *I dont see why you say that calling a spade a spade is “metaphysical fluff” like cmon, its fucking undeniably evil to commit genocide.

And further, neither you nor I believe that the US and Britain opposed Nazi Germany because it was “ontologically evil”. Their concerns and opposition were pragmatic.

I was referring to the people of the Soviet Union and its neighbors opposing it because it was an evil cancer eating their lands and killing their people in concentration camps.

Everyone’s response was ‘oh yeah, you gotta report that shit’, and it was deleted as a [accidental] call for ethnic cleansing.

Everyone’s response was ‘oh yeah, you gotta report that shit’,

Everyone’s response

Stupid, stupid rat bastard.

Natural state of affairs? Nonsense.

If you acknowledge the statehood of isntreal then you imply that invading another sovereign country with a foreign force to commit genocide and land theft is a valid way to create a nation.

You’re like one of those pretentious wannabe academic types who thinks that using a bunch of random factoids to unintentionally run “muh nuance” apologetics for the status quo is being smart.

I don’t

v.s.

“I dismissed it as metaphysical drivel attempt to distill some ‘essence’ of Nazi Germany as fundamentally genocidal”.

Pick one you smug liberal piece of dog shit.

Your main point to me seems to be that ‘Israeli’ should be understood to mean ‘settler’ before anything else.

And that isntreal itself is a cancer on the world that needs to be treated with the same military and cultural response that nazi germany did in the 20th century.

*also it isn’t “should be” but “is”, this is an important distinction because I don’t recognize it as a sovereign state since this implies a dismissal of Palestine’s sovereignty and an acceptance dismissal of their genocide /*as a natural state of affairs

Well then don’t use phrases like ‘original sin’

I fucking know what it means you pedantic cuck. I thought it would be a convenient shorthand as a way of conveying the material nature of isntreal’s creation and existence but nvm.

runs the risk of being interpreted in an alarming fashion,

By people with a liberal worldview who I would have never thought to encounter as users of this site but that was clearly a wrong assumption.

and for a little more effort, this can be avoided

“All israelis must leave” is fucking crystal clear because it the literal reality on the ground that israel is a settler colonial project that is in the same vein as nazi germany and america before it. If people have a stupid liberal worldview then fuck them I don’t care. 90% of the site agrees with me and thought OP was an idiot.

selective threads of the conversation

You’re conveniently ignoring my main point but ok.

I dismissed it as metaphysical drivel attempt to distill some ‘essence’ of Israel.

Im not making any soy claims about the “essence” of Isntreal. The fucking material reality on the ground is that it could not have existed without a massive genocide. The very notion of “israel” necessitates land stolen and people removed from Palestine. Just like america and nazi germany before it. This is why it needs to be destroyed. Its a deeply unjust situation and im fucking shocked that you think that mass loss of life and land theft to create an ethnostate is “metaphysical drivel”.

That’s not what bad faith means. That’s just being wrong.

The individual was not operating in “bad faith” but the argument is a bad faith argument due to its dishonest presuppositions rooted in Zionist apologia.

Israeli has consistently engaged in settler-colonialism and genocide

Because they are a settler colonial project, not a proper nation. You don’t get it, the creation of Isntreal itself was an act of settler-colonialism and genocide.

As I said:

“Of course it fucking hurts people but that doesn’t mean it should be recognized as a sovereign nation, because that would mean you imply that genocide is a valid way of establishing a state that shouldnt immediately be militarily opposed by every country on the planet if they had a sense of justice. I don’t care if the whole world supports Isntreal, I still support Palestine and its view of their oppressors as an illegitimate cancer on land that is rightfully theirs.”

Hurr no you’re the one with no grip on reality because you dont follow the CNN line!

Ok keep denying a genocide then.

I’ve extended nothing but good faith in this conversation

I’ve already demonstrated that you haven’t engaged with over 90% of what I wrote because you’re a candidate for lesswrong’s membership. Like how you just ignored what I wrote about isntreal being fundamentally genocidal, akin to america and nazi germany, due to the material necessities of its birth and continued existence. I was not born yesterday moron.

The fact that other users and mods read it with some genuine concern is also not an indication of bad faith, as the hallmark of bad faith is insincerity.

Its still a bad faith interpretation that denies a historical understanding of isntreal and its creation as a settler colonial project of genocide. Do you actually fucking deny that isntreal is a settler colonial, genocidal project?

You’re doing this “Israel isn’t real bro it can’t hurt you” schtick, as it in fact, continues to hurt lots of people.

Are you stupid? Israel isnt real because it has no legitimacy as a state, its one giant administrative region for a slaughterhouse of human beings. That is what it means to be a settler colonial project. Of course it fucking hurts people but that doesn’t mean it should be recognized as a sovereign nation, because that would mean you imply that genocide is a valid way of establishing a state and that Palestinians lost the land fair and square. I don’t care if the whole world supports Isntreal, I still support Palestine and its view of their oppressors as an illegitimate cancer on land that is rightfully theirs.

Then what are we talking about?

What I don’t accept is that you keep insisting that its actually ethnic cleansing advocacy when it clearly isn’t.

You answered your own question.

It was understood to be.

Why do I care? Just because someone has a shit understanding doesn’t mean its reality.

essentialist ontology stuff instead of looking at the actual effects of certain things.

If I make some idiot craps their pants because they have a liberal worldview that shouldn’t be my problem, especially not on this site where I thought we all shared the same leftist worldview that settler colonial soycieties necessitate utter destruction in their nascent form or else there will be massive, tragic genocide like what happened to the native americans, what could have happened to all of eastern europe, and what is currently happening in what remains of sovereign Palestine.

I understand why it could be interpreted in bad faith based on a soy rewriting of history using a lib worldview but thats not my problem in this situation. I now understand that its another argument in the arsenal of zionist apologia that the liberals have.

They do exist and are currently geocoding the Palestinians, and they should stop.

My son, the existence of Isntreal itself is a genocide. Look at the map I shared earlier, you cant just go to another country and tell the inhabitants “ok guys im going to start an ethnostate here, move or i kill you”. Its fucking settler colonialism, isntreal needs to be destroyed for the genocide to “stop”.

Because ‘right to exist’ is metaphysical drivel.

LMAO so Palestine is Terra Nullis like how “Australia” was?

Nope!

Go and open an account on lesswrong then, you have such amazing potential to be among the greatest minds.

but as I pointed out, such notions aren’t limited to statutory interpretation, as the cooperative principle of communications advise on the avoidance of ambiguity. If you’re not saying things with a goal toward being understood, that’s fine.

Least pretentious redditor. Its still an appeal to commonsense to insist on a liberal worldview as being the “unambiguous” way to understand Isntreal.

I’m trying to help you understand why your original comment was removed as an accidental call for ethnic cleansing. Obviously I’m failing at that goal but this isn’t some debate where I’m trying to score goals with some audience.

I don’t care why it was removed, I have already accepted that and moved on with my life, go mods.

What I don’t accept is that you keep insisting that its actually ethnic cleansing advocacy when it clearly isn’t.

Israel is universally considered to be within the extension of state in the academic community, in the general public, and by 85% of the government in the UN.

…But not on hexbear.net where we all know that it isn’t real.

In terms of “the academic community and the general public” that really depends on which country you are referring to. Of course in the west the public recognizes isntreal as legitimate because of propaganda and brainwashing, like how everyone supports capitalism. However, I doubt the “academic community” and “general public” in Palestine recognize the validity of the cancer currently resting on their stolen lands. Fuck the UN in particular because they created this entire mess in the first place.

The problem with Israeli is the act of mass murder and ethnic cleansing, not some ontological evil essence nonsense.

“Bro ackshualalflasflasflsaflly isntreal wasnt in fact created with the express purpose of being a genocidal settler state thats just ontological evil essence nonsense bro.”

The problem with isntreal is that it is a settler colonial project whose very creation and continued existence was/is contingent on mass murder and ethnic cleansing. They have literally no right to exist. Why do you fail to acknowledge this?

This thread is a week old, no one else is here.

I’ve already reported some of the shit you said to our mods btw they will be here soon. If they don’t come then I will call our most terminally online users and dogpile your yudowsky-lite ass for Zionism apologia.

alluding to the more formalized notion of plain meaning rule

So you’re in law school then, explains a lot. We aren’t discussing Statutes though so I’m sorry but this is meaningless drivel pulled from your educational background to win an argument where you deny the origin of a genocide. You referred to a “commonsense” liberal understanding of the word “isntreal”, not its statutory definition in the american legal system you stupid libshit.

The plain meaning of ‘state’, again.

“There is no academic consensus on the definition of the state.”

The genocide is the genocide, as in, the set of actions by the Israeli government that result in the expulsion, privation, immiseration and death of the local Palestinian population.

LMFAOOOOO holy fucking shit you’re actually trying to speak legalese in this discussion, bloody hilarious.

I’m not sure whether they taught you this in law school but Isntreal was created by the west to be a settler colonial puppet state to assert power in the region and enact a manifest destiny type genocide against Palestinians. It isn’t that it was innocently created and then somehow turned evil, its very nature, an “original sin” if you like, is to be a racist project of mass murder. To place it on Palestinian land without consent of the indigenous population such that it could steal land and expand was indeed a genocidal act. Its existence necessitates stolen land and therefore is fundamentally genocidal.

You’re a funny man son, I hope you dont become a corrupt lawyer in the future.

I can tell, I could hear you wanking all the way from america.