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  • It’s a compromise for sure, and not entirely consistent with the values of a vegan / vegetarian.

    I wanted to reduce my meat and animal product consumption and it removed most of the social friction. The constant need to tell hosts of social gatherings of my preferences. I did not have to constantly hear whining from my grandmother about how they ate in the old days, and how we “city-folk” are.

    I am currently a meat eater, but try to not eat meat too often. I would not consider myself a flexitarian, but eat way less than before.


  • I have attempted being ovo lacto vegetarian in the past, flexitarian and pescitarian, but never vegan.

    My experience is that your motivation for not eating meat is why people care. If you do it for ethical or environmental reasons and not health ones. Then people will feel that you are thinking that you are superior to them.

    Health one is the most accepted reason, because it is not an “attack” on someones values. Yes, it is ridiculous that people feel this way.

    However it is more work having guests that have special dietary needs, and vegans and vegetarians are choosing it. People with allergies or religious reasons are not.

    My experience is that the easiest way to get the most results with the least friction socially is to be a flexitarian. Eat vegetarian / vegan when you are cooking or buying food, and eat the meat and animal products you are served. That reduces your consumption of animal meat and products by 80-95% without the hassle.

    I managed to be a flexitarian for 2-3 years, but gave up. Vegetarian I only managed like a month or two.

    Also remember B12!


  • I am sorry that you are in such a situation. I wish better for you.

    There is a major difference however, you have at least the opportunity for a better life. (How real that opportunity is, is another matter and depends on a lot of factors).

    A prisoner is at the mercy of the state without any option to change the circumstances.

    I also highly doubt people would commit atrocities to end up in prison.

    We do however have a strong welfare state in Norway that tries to remedy the worst issues with poverty for the individual, so that everyone have a certain minimum.

    Edited 5 min later: If unneccesarilly cruel and harsh punishments worked, I guess USA wouldn’t have a lot of prisoners?



  • I don’t think most people here understand the Norwegian prison system.

    We try to rehabilitate people. Having freedoms taken away is the punishment. Not living conditions. We give people opportunities in prison. We give some of the worst people in prison leave (yes, to leave prison) for hours sometimes, if we belive they will behave. Even though we don’t trust them to integrate fulltime into society yet. We don’t have lifetime in prison, but we have a system for the very worst offenders in which we can imprison someone for an extended period if necessary. And extend it indefininetly, potentially for life, but they get a chance to convince judges to release them once in a while.

    When it comes to the article one shared about PS2 / PS3 complaints, it doesn’t really matter. We are better than him, we give all people, yes even terrible ones, a decent life. Upgrading his console costs nothing compared to the actual cost of having him imprisoned. What does Norwegians gain by witholding something that inexpensive? If he has a worthy life in prison, that’s good. I gain nothing from his suffering. I do however get the satisfaction of knowning that we try not to inflict needless suffering on other humans.

    We care about other humans. We imprison to rehabilitate and to protect society until they are rehabilitated. We don’t punish to get revenge. Everyone is supposed to get out at some point.

    Recently Norway released someone wrongly convicted and jailed for 20+ years. Imagine if he also had to suffer a needlessly horrible sentencing for that time.

    Knowing we don’t have death sentence and that our prisons give the prisoners a somewhat ok life, gives me comfort. That makes me feel that if I or someone I care deeply about was wrongly convicted I or them would not suffer needlessly.















  • They make a lot of high quality shows in my opinion, and have made a lot of great ones in the past. Max is a better service than Netflix in my opinion.

    HBO make shows that feel closer to the “human condition” than most other companies.

    Max has the following great shows: Game of Thrones House of the Dragon The Sopranos Oz What We Do In The Shadows The Wire Silicon Valley Rick and Morty True Detective Season 1 Rome +++

    Edit: Remembered Last of Us which was great