And uh… no easily identifiable tattoos?
Right? Absolute lol.
I’m guessing the intention here is that they’re fake, marker drawn ones. Still not great, but I’d think the artist who made this would at least understand that much if they understood rules like no phone, no pics, no talking to pigs.
That makes sense. But then again, the mom seems to be proudly showing off some unique tattoos herself, like that Opel gender sign, so it might run in the family.
She’s also a big fan of vitamin B12
There are like 4 people in the world who are proud of owning an Opel and I know 3 of them
That tattoo has got to make you particularly identifiable
But then how will people immediately know if they’re cool or not???
As a tangent this is what has always irritated me with movements like the pro- legalization of weed.
I work 9-5 make good money and have 3 kids. I’m north of 40. I am not the same as the Billy bong pothead everyone sees at every rally because people like me stay the fuck away.
There are many of us that do not want to announce ourselves that are in the system actively working to change it for the better of everyone. Tattoos and a torn jacket do not make a punk.
Billy bong pothead is probably also working full time and just as likely to have kids as anyone.
What’s the problem that you’re getting at? People dressing different? Expression of counter culture?
I think he is referring to himself of a “higher class” than billy bong, whatever that means (and it might be true if we are talking economic class)
And ? Why the hate on billy bong pothead?
Exactly, people can see me and have no idea that I’m an anarchist. Like, mad respect to those who have political tattoos, my wife has a subtle one even, but I don’t even have any non political ones. It makes people not notice that the things I’m saying are anarchy.
So you’re annoyed with the pro legalization movement because … You didn’t partake…? Or is it because you … Don’t announce your beliefs…? Because people are different from you but believe in the same thing… ? Sibling in this universe what are you talking about.
Maybe if people like you had some balls and weren’t judgmental and disparaging to the people out there fighting for change and visibility you’d have some more movement on legalization. Jeez man your comment is kinda fucked.
Yeah, that’s a good rule of thumb. But in a huge group of anarchists i don’t know if the anarchist symbol is particularly identifiable.
For real tho, if you’re out protesting it’s probably a good idea to cover your tattoos.
The commonality of symbol itself isn’t necessarily the point. If you have one that is easily identifiable (such as the anarchy sybmol) and the location is readily apparent, say on your left arm on your elbow, then that’s enough for them to go with to help with ID the person. While there may be plenty of the symbol around, the odds of a person of a certain age/sex/color having that same symbol in the same spot is pretty close to zero.
Late edit: if you want to fool visual identification via tattoos, get fake tattoos that are visible and then remove them.
What’s the deal with tattoos? I’m somewhat interested in getting some, but I don’t want to get them if they’ll make things more risky in the future. Then again, at an action you should be in black pants and long sleeve shirt with gloves and a mask, so maybe it doesn’t matter all that much as long as you cover them?
Cover them, and don’t get arrested, because if you get arrested, they will strip you naked in order to force you to shower and make note of any tattoos you didn’t divulge in booking.
What are the repercussions of them being noted after arrest? Is the main thing that you’re at higher risk if the tattoos are easily visible and there’s a warrant for your arrest in the future?
Think of it like having your name, address written across your forehead. On its own a tattoo is benign but it’s another item that can be used to personally identify you
Hmm, but there are already other things that make me stand out like being tall and masc + long hair. Would tattoos make a meaningful difference at that point?
Yup. Depends on how paranoid you want to be.
IMHO if those in power want to identify you they will, tattoos or not.
It’s just an added identifier. One extra point to match to you if it were to show up somewhere. This is a big reason to not get face/hand tattoos - they’re difficult to hide out in public.
All the tattooed people also make non-tatooed folks easier to identify, unfortunately.
And cover any identifiable tattoos.
Get some fake tattoos and put a rock in your shoe too.
Don’t wear any clothes you wear elsewhere or bought in a way that can be tracked back to you.
I don’t remember where I read it, but apparently the rock in shoe thing doesn’t work all that well.
What is the rock in the shoe thing? Never heard that one
It alters your gait.
Could just wear 1 regular shoe and 1 platform heel instead of hurting your foot. 🤷🏻♂️
Surely that’s just another method for hurting your foot
Holy shit I actually did tell my daughter not to bring her phone to the protest.
May I know what’s the reason to not bring your phone? Is it due to concerns of being tracked?
Basically, yes. Plus, it may be unconstitutionally searched if you are detained.
Yes. Even when your phone is powered down, some models still ping cell towers. If it pings one, they know your distance to the tower. If it pings two, both towers know your distance, and the overlapping circles would reveal two positions coordinates, one of which you were at. With some contextual information, it’s easy to know/prove which one you were at.
If it pings 3 towers, your exact location, and unique identifying information sucha as your phone’s IMEI is revealed. So don’t bring a cell.
Corporates are even bold enough to brand this as a nice to have feature, they call it “find my device” I think? But we can totally trust them to keep this data absolutely private and secure ! /s
Samsung actually offers e2e encryption for location data using a pin code but unfortunately it’s disabled by default for some reason. also only available for phones, not other pingable devices like wireless earbuds
Well, e2e encryption doesn’t give you any guaranty if the encryption and communication protocols are proprietary and you didn’t set the encryption key(s) all by yourself. Samsung could very well have the private keys to decrypt the data and give it to anyone they wish.
it’s symmetrical encryption so the pin code is the private key, (or er, the key’s derived from it)
but also Samsung still gets the network address of the repotting device which can be used to get approximate location
Yeah I know of triangulation. Just didn’t know if that was the concern.
I don’t think that’s really the concern - I think OP was thinking of general metadata that can cause authorities to identify who was there, where exactly and when, and who was also with them - this is power authoritarians wishes they had for a thousands of years, and here we are…
I think OP was thinking of general metadata that can cause authorities to identify who was there, where exactly and when, and who was also with them
Absolutely. Just look at all the shit available to them:
https://www.uscellular.com/content/dam/uscc-static/assets/pdfs/LERGv1.0.pdf
Surprised to see nobody has mentioned Banksy’s “Mother and Anarchist”, this is pretty close to it.
There’s no way this isn’t a reference to that. The mom is essentially just traced over.
Thanks for sharing the picture, i should have done that 😅
Fun /s facts i learned recently about Banksy:
- intentionally does art near low income neighborhoods, thus gentrifying them to all hell
- he built a hotel 4 miles away from the Gaza Strip that trivialized everything Palestine was going through for the past 78 years, and told a story of how the genocide is “a nuanced and debatable issue”
i actually know people like this, i love my life
Aww, some people have the sweetest parents :3
I wonder, when are you supposed to put on your mask, at the protest, on the way there, when getting out of home?
On the way home I’d think
On the way there I would think.
At the protest I would think
On the way there, I would think.
what’s on the parent’s right bicep? it looks like the three arrows but mashed up with the big line go up
It’s the squatter’s symbol
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Like, I get the point, but if you are too much of a coward to put your face with the cause, I am automatically assuming you don’t really care and just want the attention
Or maybe you just don’t want to be identified by bad actors who can and will doxx you?
Maybe, but it just shows that you don’t think the issue is worth a full measure, just a half one
Not wanting your family to get murdered by fascists is a half measure?
Do you see a lot of that happening?
Now if we’re talking about dictatorships and shit then yeah, and I absolutely Americanized this because of the college campus protests, so I retract my statement for everywhere but America.
Mea culpa
Have you not seen the extreme rise of violence from the right in the past decade??
Yes. Though I am from the authoritarian state. But I wouldn’t say the US is that much different. Sure they might not murder you outright, but they can and will make your life at least a little more miserable
How is it a half measure? Not everyone can (or should) be a symbol
You could post your legal name and other socials on here… It would do nothing to make you more convincing imo. But by that logic, not doing so is a half measure
It is
But with a mask on and no phone pics, how are you going to get that attention?
The mass of people chanting and holding signs is usually enough to draw the required attention. That’s kinda the point.
I thought the commentor meant the OP pic person was doing it for personal attention. Not attention for a cause.
Not at all
Wait, I think I misunderstood you.
Maybe attention isn’t the right word, basically I feel like you don’t actually support the cause, you just want to pretend you do.
The people who actually care are willing to take those punishments and the sheer fact that they are willing to do so is what shows they care.
Not showing yourself, shows a lack of dedication to your cause, you aren’t willing to sacrifice, other than some time, you won’t have any permanent consequences.
It’s a “put your money where your mouth is thing.”
They want to pretend they care to make themselves feel like they are doing something, but not sign their name for the cause.
I mean, if they arrest you that impedes your ability to continue protesting. There are reasons other than a lack of dedication to keep your identity protected.
The fact that you aren’t willing to take that hit shows a lack of belief in the importance of the cause.
Obviously it matters to you, a little at least and for various different reasons, because you are out there, but the people that really care about their causes are full in their support of them.
It’s like how so many people say they support something, but aren’t willing to sign their name to the petition.
I mean, if you’re out there at all you’re risking taking a hit (quite literally). Like, when you go to one of these protests you could be slammed to the ground, tear gassed, shot, or arrested. If you’re willing to risk that I’d say you’re pretty dedicated.
I think it’s reasonable, even tactically advantageous to keep your identity protected. You’re never going to accomplish much with one protest, and if everyone gets arrested on bullshit charges after the first one it’s much harder to organize a second one.
No, anarchists don’t force others to take arrest risks they’re not willing to. Everyone has their own tolerances and they can support the cause in their own way. Stop trying to pressure people.
there’s a difference between being willing to take an arrest and getting arrested for something stupid. that’s like saying that the point of an army is being willing to die for your country, so the best and bravest are the ones who enlist and then immediately commit suicide. be willing to take a hit, but be strategic about the hits you take and avoid taking a hit for no good reason. it’s about getting the thing done, not proving that you’re super legit.
What’s the point of putting yourself at risk for no tangible benefit?
The tangible benefit is getting more normies like me to join your cause.
That’s the point of the protest isn’t it?
Is the possibility of winning you over worth removing someone who is already actively involved? Are you more likely to join a protest if the risks and consequences you face are higher? What about all the people who have already been arrested for protesting recently - has that motivated you to get out and join them?
The fact is that tons of people, especially in the US, love to sit on the sidelines critiquing every protest for whatever arbitrary reason and will insist that they’d be won over if only they did something differently. But then, if they do things differently, they’ll just find another reason to complain, because that’s all they actually care to do.
I’ve never understood this prevailing viewpoint you expressed that protests are meant to get more people to join a cause. The point of a protest is to assert disruptive force and to threaten to assert further force. If you see a group of people gathered together doing stuff and happen to think it’s cool for whatever reason, cool, sure, whatever. But it’s not about you. Protests are not candidates that you decide whether to vote for or not. The point is to communicate to those in power, “We have to capability to get this many people out and organized, and we are going to be a pain in your ass until you give into our demands.”
I mean yeah, but (at least in the US) cops have a habit of trampling your rights to protest. Even if you did nothing illegal they can (and will) still harass you after the fact for bullshit, made-up reasons.
They’ll assault you in the moment too, but protecting your identity won’t protect you from that.
Agreed
the attention you won’t get because your identity is not known?
Hmm, I hadn’t thought about it that way, NOIWONTPICKANAME.
I guess you don’t really care about this comment either, then, and are just doing it for attention.
It’s literally the only benefit, I get attention for what I say directly attached to how much effort and show I put out.
I also expect that if I had put my name to it, it would indeed show my dedication.
That’s why I sign petitions with my real name and this shit with my funny name.
That and I really like funny usernames, they make me happy, and I assume they do others as well.
I haven’t told anyone how to protest, I merely told you what I thought about the ones that don’t show their faces
CaaB
Cowardace as a Benefit
This is privilege talking, you should read Little Brother by Cory Doctorow.
Blah blah blah. You can’t throw the word privilege around for everything.
Don’t get me wrong, I have plenty of it, but the poor and rich, white and black all bonded together unmasked before.
you’re anonymous because you want attention
Maybe attention isn’t the right word, basically I feel like you don’t actually support the cause, you just want to pretend you do.
The people who actually care are willing to take those punishments and the sheer fact that they are willing to do so is what shows they care.
Not showing yourself, shows a lack of dedication to your cause, you aren’t willing to sacrifice, other than some time, you won’t have any permanent consequences.
It’s a “put your money where your mouth is thing.”
They want to pretend they care to make themselves feel like they are doing something, but not sign their name for the cause.
There’s actually an old anti-kkk law in Ohio they’ve been talking about still enforcing, it says if three or more people commit a misdemeanor together while concealing their identity it becomes a felony. It would be interesting to see how that played out in court today.
