A conservative plan for Donald Trump’s potential transition into the presidency calls for dozens of prisoners to be executed, according to HuffPost. An 887-page plan by Project 2025, led by the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation, says that if elected, Trump should make a concerted effort to execute the remaining 40 prisoners on death row. The section’s author, attorney Gene Hamilton, advised that Trump “do everything possible to obtain finality” on the current list of people until Congress forces them to stop. Hamilton is the vice president of America Legal First, a group of former Trump lawyers bent on attacking “woke” companies, headed by Stephen Miller. Trump’s approach to the death penalty stands in stark contrast to that of President Joe Biden, who has openly opposed the death penalty, but done little to move forward legislation to reform or abolish the practice since entering office.
For those of you not in the know Project 2025 is Republicans plan to turn the USA into an authoritarian state.
There’s a series of detective novels I’ve been reading for years. Bernie Gunther is a WW1 veteran who joined the Berlin police force in the 1920s, and left when his Jewish boss was fired by the Nazis. Author is Philip Kerr.
In one of the novels, Bernie runs into an old cop pal and they have a drink. The cop tells Bernie that there were about 30 executions in all of Germany the year before the Nazis took over, and there have already been over 200 this year. The cop wonders how far it’s going to go?
That sounds interesting as fuck, is that Berlin Noir?
Yes. Each book is a stand alone, but they do go in ‘historical’ order.
Slightly off topic. Max Allan Collins Nate Heller books are ‘hard boiled historicals.’ The latest "Too Many Bullets’ covers the Bobby Kennedy assassination.
Thank you! You just gave me a whole new series to dive into. Super excited.
enjoy
Are they in English?
Yes, Philip Kerr the author is English.
Looking for that now.
I want to take a break for doom news podcasts
Enjoy
I might have to check that series out. Thank you.
It actually reminds me a bit of Babylon Berlin, a German noir show which was based off the Gereon Rath series by Volker Kutscher.
Seen it. I usually hate TV shows with subtitles, but this one kept me going.
They want blood. No matter the route. If I can ask anything of my fellow liberals is that you arm yourselfs. I’m not saying we take to the streets with weapons. I’m saying we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins
When the nazis came to power, they forcibly took away the guns of their victims. They’d send a squad of SS to your house, surround it, and force you to give up the gun. If you didn’t, they’d kill you, if you did, they still got you in the end.
Some of their victims hid, refused to give up their arms, and fought back. They didn’t survive.
If guns were the answer to dealing with fascism and authoritarianism, germany never would have had the holocaust.
Yeah, it’s a fucking joke to assume that guns are a hedge against fascism. They’ll take your guns or shoot you. Maybe there’s some protection in being an organised group in the moment, but if they want to get you they’ll get you.
Ruby ridge.
Whilst members of the Weaver family were illegally killed by the government at Ruby Ridge, what’s less known is that Randy Weaver was hanging out with people from the Aryan Nation movement, and a believer in the Posse Comitatus theory of law.
It was White Nationalists that later erased these facts to promote the Weaver’s story as they (rightly) believed it would inspire others into their life style.
Timothy McVeigh cited the story as one of the reasons for his bombing of a federal government building and its daycare centre.
Oh I certainly wasn’t defending him or the white supremacist community he was a part of.
I was also tempted to mention Wako and the Davidians.
My point was, no matter how many guns you have, the machine will always win in a gun fight.
The first thing the nazis did, was purge the bureaucracy. Taking away guns was no concern, at all.
Privately owned guns played no significant role in the nazis’ rise to or hold on power. Anything else is simply marketing by american gun sellers.
Some of their victims hid, refused to give up their arms, and fought back. They didn’t survive.
About 10-15,000 jewish germans survived the holocaust by going underground in Germany. They were colloquially called U-Boote or Illegale. Of course, that has nothing to do with guns. Guns were, after all, handed out to any able-bodied male.
If guns were the answer to dealing with fascism and authoritarianism, germany never would have had the holocaust.
That is only partly true. Germans are only a small fraction of holocaust victims (<5%). The victims overwhelmingly came from eastern Europe, particularly Poland and the Soviet Union. The holocaust happened in the wake of the advancing Wehrmacht. A more far-sighted response to german war preparations would have made a difference. A lesson one must bear in mind in today’s world.
Part of the reason the Nazis didnt face too much resistance is because a possible major for of resistance got purged before their rise. The Spartacists got purged pretty thoroughly by the Freikorps who also used it as an excuse to purge other similar groups.
Also guns would be one of many different tools in such a resistance scenario, alongside things like car bombs and just stabbing people. Its just convenient to have a long range weapon that requires little training, mind you stealing a gun or manufacturing one would also be viable i guess.
There will be insanity if he’s allowed to run at all.
There should be no way for people to participate in a democracy they have attempted to overthrow, and these fuckers are absolutely going to try again. It will be a shitshow. I hope the US justice system comes through, but it will be a very dangerous time for America if Trump and his cronies are not prosecuted for their crimes before the next election.
I have some bad news.
Even if Trump gets prosecuted for 1/6 before the election, there is ZERO chance it’s completed before the election. There will be appeals carrying it on for YEARS.
That being said too, there’s nothing in the charges that would disqualify him on conviction. There SHOULD BE, but there isn’t.
Ideally I’d like to see Congress get their shit together and get a Constitutional amendment that says “Convicted felons are inelligible”.
That would solve the problem right there. Convict him in the Stormy Daniels case, problem solved.
Word? Do tell, what will happen if you don’t get your way? Make sure it’s actual information, per rule #4, misinformation is a bannable offense.
we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins
We should also all be prepared for the absolute insanity that will ensue if he loses. I fear we will have a more violent insurrection this time around and maybe even local violence in some areas.
Nah, without control of the levers of government they’re just terrorists. Don’t forget that the government was well warned about Jan 6, and Trump’s team actively suppressed preparation and response. It’s not going to be the same if Biden is in office.
There will be no local violence. His supporters are riding rascals through Walmart, the few that could participate will turn and run when shit gets real, just like 1/6
I’m not saying we take to the streets with weapons
Then you’re doing nothing but shilling for the gun lobby, who immediately donate millions to the worst Republicans.
If you’re going to advocate guns, you should be willing to tell people what to use them for.
I mean that’s a pretty stupid thing to say considering everyone knows you’ll get your comment removed and probably also your account banned for explaining what should actually be done, what should actually be being done, right now. Maybe eventually everyone will get mad enough that mods will stop standing in the way of what needs to happen, but by then they’ll have pulled the plug on the internet anyway…
Maybe eventually everyone will get mad enough that mods will stop standing in the way of what needs to happen
It’s a federated platform, if you feel like the mods are standing in the way then leave to another instance.
What a joke you are. Are we actually supposed to pretend your guns are more than cosplay props when you’re not even willing to risk being banned from anonymous social media to advocate your cause?
Well I’m not scared of being banned, so take your guns and your pro-gun astroturfing and fuck off.
A highly public series of rapid-fire executions gives Trump some very immediate media “wins”.
And when you review the list of death row inmates its easy to see how conservatives can twist any objection to execution as endorsement of police slayings, carjackings, kidnappings, and child murder.
Right-wing news will have a field day announcing “Daniel Troya, the man who murdered an entire family in cold blood JUST GOT HIS DAY OF JUSTICE!” with swooping infographics and blaring trumpets. Drag on some Project Veritas stooge with B-roll footage of a crying pink haired college kid and topping it off with “WOKE LIBERALS ARE SO OWNED!” and you’ll have a fascist feeding frenzy.
I’m saying we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins
Real Helms Deep Hours.
He won’t win.
execute death row inmates
= arm yourselves!
Americans are so silly, you’ll never outgun the US military
You ever heard of guerilla tactics? An authoritarian army doesn’t need to be out gunned to have a really bad time
You ever heard of guerilla tactics?
The country of Vietnam lost millions of its people to push out some 50-60k US soldiers. Quite a few of them died in hideous fashion. Burned alive by napalm. Poisoned by nerve gas. Tied up and thrown in a ditch, then buried alive. Tortured in prison camps for weeks, before succumbing.
We’re seeing the same shit play out in Palestine, under the Israeli occupation. Nightmarish brutality inflicted on insurgents, on neighborhoods where those insurgents lived, on friends and family with even the most tangential relationship to the insurgency. On people a thousand miles away who show the most pacifist support for human rights.
Can a guerrilla war win? Sure. Over 15-30 years, a persistent armed resistance can potentially overcome the cost-constrained and geographically removed military occupation. Will you live to see the end? Ho Chi Min didn’t. Sitting Bull didn’t. Che Guevera didn’t.
Arguing for terrorism, while noble, doesn’t correlate with “buy some guns and sit around”
The idea of tactics also requires related knowledge and planning that you don’t learn from buying guns
Really… we’re doing this stupid chit again?
This is actually the incarnation of “Defending the Free State” IMO. To be clear, the right to bear arms does not mean you get to attack and overthrow the government, but to defend yourself (along with other states) against any state trying to impose tyranny. The federalist papers posited this (no they’re not law, and they certainly have other issues) and IMO it makes sense, even if it is a view shaped in a time that no longer exists.
Late edit: you don’t get to attack and overthrow the government because you find some policy inconvenient or irritating personally. Tyranny I think is pretty specific, and has nothing to do with government trying to push things like saving life on earth, incentivizing electric vehicles, someone asking for a different name than their birth gender, or trying to protect kids and everyone else from random or other actors with firearms intent on mass death.
Sorry, best we can do is pearl-clutching ourselves into banning everything.
Look, can we just collectively agree – all of us who are left of center – to work together and set our differences aside until after this election? Now really isn’t the time for us to be divided. We need to first curb stomp the fascists, so we don’t all get killed
I don’t disagree…but the party-line Democrats have been telling progressives exactly that since the Clinton administration.
Again, to be clear: I’m happily voting Biden this November, but the Democratic party has become very good at doing just enough to keep their core loyal while also doing nowhere near enough to keep the country out of constant existential peril, effectively cultivating that crisis as a (pardon the pun) trump card that they then use to tell progressives “what you want is less important than the current crisis! Just go along with us in this election and we pinky swear to do more for your causes!”.
They know if they move left they’ll be displaced by a combination of progressive candidates and centrists, so they have basically adopted the strategy of keeping the right just dangerous enough to be credible while keeping their left flank secured with a drip feed of snail’s pace “progress”.
I’m voting Biden, but not happily.
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Israel-Gaza conflict aside…what makes you unhappy about voting for him?
I have to admit that I wasn’t thrilled about voting for him in 2020, but I also have to admit that in the intervening years he has at the very least met my expectations in most areas, and shockingly, he’s exceeded them in a few areas.
As I get older, I’ve learned from experience to temper my expectations in a president, and with those adjusted expectations, I am surprised to find myself feeling better about voting for Biden in 2024 than I did four years ago.
I can sum it up in one word: age.
Look, I’m no spring chicken. My age starts with a 4 now, and it seems the age gap between me and the age of the president hasn’t changed.
I’m just tired of geriatrics running the country.
I’m overall happy with Biden except for Afghanistan and Gaza. Given the cards he was dealt with, he seems to be doing an ok job.
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In what way? He established an agreement that the Taliban violated, thereby making it void.
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I can’t really disagree with you. The issue is we have reached the actual point where the current crisis dwarfs all others. Maybe I was just younger then, but it didn’t feel like we had such existential threats in the Bush and Obama years. I remember people said that Romney winning would be the apocalypse, but it’s laughable to say that would’ve been the case in hindsight.
I think what we can take heart in is that we’ve been seeing a gradual increase in progressiveness in the party. And not just a small constant increase, but a significantly growing one. There are a nontrivial number of Congressional members who are incredibly progressive, and they’ve shifted the mood of the party notably leftward. The Inflation Reduction Act was a historic level of climate spending, to the point that Europe felt pressured to pass similar legislation. And the IRA actually closed the corporate tax loophole too – large corporations raking in billions in profits now have to pay a minimum 15%, even if they could previously loophole their way to $0.
I wish things were faster. Gaza in particular has highlighted to me just how frustrating it is for things to only improve at a snail’s pace. And specifically with Gaza, I don’t think the progress is actually amounting to material changes.
We are seeing material changes in other areas though. Healthcare could be a hell of a lot better, but as someone who relied on Obamacare for a few years, things have actually improved for people. The important thing is that we don’t lose heart, and that we keep pushing for better. The US has a rich history of leftists persevering to accomplish women’s suffrage, civil rights, labor rights, and gay rights and equality. As long as we press forward, just like they did, we’ll be successful. The arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice and good.
If we could just bury the fascists for good, we could start to make serious progress.
Left of center? You mean left from totally bonkers actual Fascists…
We’re gonna need a bigger tent
So 2020 part two?
Pretty much. This is going to keep cropping up until we deal a decisive loss to fascism. They need to be beaten by huge margins.
More like 2004 part 6
They actually stole the 2000 election and have come full circle to screaming about the Dems stealing 2020, projection as per usual.
The post headline is very dramatic but it just implies executing death row inmates not every American in existence.
If you are participating in the two party system, you’re either supporting or enabling fascism.
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Ah yes, they’re so intense about fighting capitalist oppression they’ve circled around to… checks notes defending police brutality and advocating for the further privatisation of every public good and dismantling all worker protections.
The difference between “eat the rich” and “feed the rich” is really just one syllable, right? Almost negligible.
(Also, no, they don’t call everyone fascist. They just don’t think being liberal is enough for change, when the “liberals” of the US have a history of complaining about the things they don’t stop the regressives from doing. There’s a difference between calling people “naive and spineless” and “actively pursuing oppression”.)
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Dangerous to democracy? Where’d you get that idea? I’m not the one trying to install an authoritarian plutocracy.
I’m a staunch believer in educated democracy, but that requires education in the first place. Education regressives have been undermining forever, because it would inform the people of their actual democratic power.
where it actually matters
Which would be? What, in your opinion, actually matters?
My priority is a sustainable and enjoyable future. One where you can grow old without worrying about our pension or affording medical care. One where you no longer pay a cut of your work to a person just becaude they’re rich already. One where you can do the job you love without worrying about how well it pays or whether you’ll get fired.
The Liberals keep bartering for compromise instead of progress, gradually ceding ground to the Conservatives. The spoiler effect means an actually progressive third party has no chance and risks handing power to the regressives by splitting the vote. Because all the Liberals have to do is “be less bad”, you get the choice between right-of-center and far right. This isn’t democracy, it’s slowly dismantling it.
I’ll take the Liberals, because they’re “less bad”, but it’s not a solution. It’s buying time in the hope that we can actually fix the underlying issues.
Jesus: don’t abort those fetuses because life begins at conception.
Also Jesus: fuck these adults, let them fry.
Very cool and consistent, a serious political party here.
You frame it as a contradiction, but this is very nakedly the nature of a patriarchal theocracy.
There’s no real conflict between the view of a dictatorial Israeli King as someone who treats woman as chattel and endorses state execution of prisoners. This is all over the old testament and common enough in the New Testament Letters from Paul not to be remarkable.
Very cool and consistent, a serious political party here.
They’re deadly serious. It’s the 1980s all over again, folks.
I grew up JW, and all the scriptures used to fight against abortion are in the first half of the Bible, before Jesus is involved. To quote a certain former Trump staffer…
Jesus ain’t say that.
Jesus is an extension of the Christian God so their god says it all.
Most Christian denominations do believe that to some extent, though some (including my example) view them as strictly different beings, with only 1 true God. They view Jesus as next in the hierarchy but still below capital G God, and view the Holy Spirit as just a tool, like say The Force.
I guess there’s no point arguing for any logic in their religion when they just make it whatever they want lol. But strictly speaking, their god is also Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Kind of what the holy trinity is all about.
They love to appear tough as long as they don’t get their own hands dirty.
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The first time.
My plan only calls for one execution if Trump wins.
Trump?
Donald Schmuck
Oh this is a non-story. Look, if trump gets in, there’ll be plenty of killing. Enough for everyone. He’s got it all figured out.
they strayed so far from what conservatism actually is. it’s ridiculous.
Conservatism at its core is ‘just’ wanting to keep the status quo. Which itself is imho already pointless, but it’s not too bad.
It however, is not reactionary.
These people are reactionary to the mediaeval extent. But we preach to the choir. Try getting those people who themselves believe in those ideas, that they don’t work…
Conservatism is a reaction to progress. It’s inherently reactionary.
The status quo when the term was popularized was a hierarchical society of have and have-nots. If we ever develop a truly egalitarian society rest assured, conservatives will be looking to roll back to what they perceive as the “natural” order.
Back to tribalism, essentially.
And not only is it in fact inherently reactionary, but there is a personality type associated with it which is low in tolerance for ambiguity, shockingly low in creativity, and high in reactivity. So basically angry, violent, decorticate monkeys.
(To be “decorticate” is to have had your prefrontal cortex cut out, if you’re wondering.)
I thought this too. Current events spurred me to look at history for context. Quoting Ed Abbey; “Neoconservative? Theres nothing new about it, its old as time and evil as hell.”
From what they claim conservatism actually is.
Just getting ready to open the ovens.
(The GOP really really wants ovens )
They also plan on killing dozens if he loses. A non-story indeed.
Difference is, they’ll have much more capability if he wins.
Dozens? Surely a lot more than that. He was pretty enthused when it seemed like his political opponents were going to die, last time around; he’s just too timid and thick to be able to make it happen through his own volition. In a next time around I think a lot of the guard rails that stopped it from happening would be removed.
As soon as I read the headline I knew Baby Goebbels was involved.
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Perhaps they should get a taste of their own shit this time
“dozens” laughable, he will execute all democrats.
No he won’t. C’mon. I hate Trump, but don’t use the same discourse his fan base uses to fan the flames.
Oh, did SCOTUS rule that presidents cannot do whatever they want? Did one of the lower courts hold him accountable for committing insurrection or election fraud?
Wake up, friend.
Oh I’m woken up. I come from Venezuela. Shit is real over there. No mass executions of the opposition in 25 years of authoritarian rule.
The U.S. will not get to that extreme either. And if you think that way, it’s time for you to out the phone away and enjoy outside more often.
He didn’t do that last time so what is this hyperbole for?
Last time he had a bunch of “normal” (old style) republicans in his cabinet, and they stopped him from doing a lot of what he wanted to do. And of course the career civil servants in all the government agencies followed the law and that stymied a lot of his and his minions’ schemes–which they learned from. Now they know where the roadblocks to dictatorship are and have had 4 years to come up with plans like project 2025 and others.
Next time, no one will even try to stop him. Everyone in the cabinet and appointed post will be loyal lackeys who will do whatever trump says. Career civil servants who don’t follow illegal or crazy orders will be fired and replaced with those who will. Even the Supreme Court now has the 3 extreme conservatives he appointed along with many many federal/district court judges who were drawn from a list compiled by the same people who authored the project 2025 plans.
The next time ain’t gonna be like last time, folks.
There won’t be “next,” so nice fiction story.
Edit: I don’t care for Trump supporter downvotes.
Until November of 2016, most of us didn’t think there would be a first time.
Sure, but the American people wised up. Why do people forget that Trump lost the reelection while being president?
Trump lost, with the second most votes of any presidential candidate ever. More than Obama, more than Hillary. Do not get complacent.
He did election fraud and an insurrection last time that he still hasn’t been jailed for, why wouldn’t he escalate? Nine people are currently sitting around deciding if maybe a president should be legally permitted to execute their political opponents. Six of them are corrupt shitheads and three of them were appointed by an insurrectionist.
