Since putting together my ErgoMax a month back, I found myself feeling increasingly less keen to get back to productive stuff, which in my case is programming.

Yesterday I had a moment of clarity on the irritation that I couldn’t previously quite put my finger on — it was the steady hassle of having to fiddle with layer shifting and other mod keys such as shift or command, to type in even just a few lines of code.

How do all the programmers deal with having to constantly key in “, [] and {}, sometimes with cmd, ctrl etc keys held down, on boards without dedicated keys for them?

    • R4_Unit@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      This is a nice clean layout! I appreciate that it isn’t trying to be tricky, but just lay everything out simply. The only part I’m not really getting is the equals sign relative to things like plus and times? Seems like typing equations, and things like += or *= kinda awkward? Beautiful all the same.

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    1 year ago

    Many people are forgetting the simplest answer here. Just use a full size keyboard. They are abundant and cheap. They come with ALL THE KEYS and don’t make you layer shift in order to efficiently achieve what you need to do.

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    1 year ago

    I use a 30% split keyboard as my daily driver for work as a software developer. I use a keymapping where holding the F key down turns the right side into a numpad plus some of the other punctuation, and holding D down gives me the shifted versions of all that. So I have to chord to get the esoteric symbols but I don’t have to actually move my left hand from home row to chord. I don’t think this is a very common way of doing things though. I’m not sure it’s any better than using a bigger keyboard, but I’m used to it now.

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    I use two layers, that I activate holding the two home thumb keys, to place all symbols, numbers and F keys. They are all positioned according to how frequent they are and how they appear together. I also have a lot of combos and macros (in another layer) that helps with recurrent commands. My keymap is extremely complex and optimized for my workflows, but you might take some inspiration from there.

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    1 year ago

    I use combos for all my brackets, though I also have them on a layer. Quote is on my base layer - I have a layout based on Miryoku, which swaps the positions of ‘ and ; from their normal Colemak-DH locations. I think that swap would make sense for QWERTY as well if you’re using a 36 key layout. With 38 keys and up, I have room for ; as well on the outer pinky column.

    I also have an override so that the unshifted key is : and I use shift to get ;. Since I mostly write Python and use vim this is a great shortcut - if you use a language with semicolons that behavior probably doesn’t make sense.

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    1 year ago

    Over 20 years ago, I had a keyboard that defined a “punctuation pad” that contained a lot of common symbols and combination of symbols on a different layer. I found it useful enough that I have brought that along to any keyboard since then that I could program to have something similar. It doesn’t cover all symbols, because I touch-type the number row, so other than parenthesis they are not part of the “PunctPad”. It’s defined as “1 layer deep” on the right hand, and I have it on all my keyboards. You can find an example here: https://github.com/nomaded/qmk_firmware/blob/ngedv-unify/keyboards/ergodox_infinity/keymaps/ngedv/keymap.c

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    I ended up with pretty much my own entire layout. For the most part, I don’t use layers, but instead use pairs of keys for symbols, numbers, etc. I also kept things largely where they are on a traditional keyboard, so that I’m not fighting against several decades of muscle memory.

    The main issue with what I’ve done is that I’m kind of pushing past the limits of combining features with QMK. I use pairs of keys as modifiers (my left shift is ‘E’+‘D’ for example), this key pressed is also ‘3’. If I roll on numbers, I end up with stuck modifiers. I’ve gotten fairly used to it, but it still hits me from time to time.

    I do use a layer for things like cursor keys, though.

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    I usually work on a 34-key layout and adapted a lot from Ben Vallacks ideas from YouTube. But I spend some time with home-row-mods in the past (layers on home-row with modifiers on bottom-row) but the constant holding of keys annoyed me also.

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    I would say that you need to try and modify your keymap. Mod-tap is useful for commonly used symbols.

    Also, I would recommend you to try vim (or vim mode for some editors), as you can use modes instead of modifier keys.

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    I put brackets as combos of pointing and middle finger.

    On the left half the homerow combo is for (. On the right half, it’s for ).

    And the other symbols are on a layer. I optimized it it to make common programming symbols easy to type.

    And I found that practicing typing quickly on speedcoder.com really helped me.

    At first you have to think about what key to press to switch the layer and then what key to press to get true symbol you need.

    But after a while, your brain learns the combination of movements.

    So you just express the intention of a symbol and your fingers execute the symbol.

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    On my 34-40 key layouts I put all the symbols typically used together in programming on the same layer, including symbols that usually require Shift, along with all the numbers. This makes it comfortable to type whole formulas without leaving the symbol layer and without needing Shift. Important bigrams that I can type without switching layers in the middle include <= >= != += -= *= /= %= &= |= -> /* */ => := :) ;) . I also optimize the layer so that none of these are same-finger bigrams. Because = appears in so many bigrams, I found it convenient to map it on a thumb key.

    I make sure all the mods are comfortable to use and in the same place on all my layers, either as bottom row mod-taps or on opposite side thumb keys or worst case as a oneshot mod. I don’t need Shift on my symbol layer, so one less mod to worry about.

    Probably my favourite feature for a programming key map is _ on a base layer thumb key. That makes typing snake_case_names a breeze.

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    1 year ago

    I’m a developer and I use a (slightly modified) miryoku layout for my daily driver. I know not everyone loves the home-row mods, but I really like how I can use the layer keys on one hand to get all the symbols on the other. I have to move my hands waaay less than I did with a full size.