Pets are family, so people have a knee-jerk reaction to anyone badmouthing their pets even if the other person has a point.
My sister has a rescue pit. He’s the sweetest dog ever - he was afraid of men for a while due to his previous owner, but gradually warmed up and now runs up to everyone he sees for cuddles.
However, when they took him to visit someone in a nursing home he ran off and bit one of the staff unprovoked. It turns out how a dog behaves around family versus around strangers are two completely different things, and dog owners rarely see the latter so judge their pet’s personality based on the former.
A dog can be an absolute angel around people introduced to them by someone they love and trust, but if their little doggy brain registers someone as a threat (or even just an intruder in their space) things can go very wrong, very quickly.
This so much. I’ve had dogs snarling at me, and the owner is like “Oh, don’t worry, he’s friendly.” Like no, he’s friendly towards people he knows, not random strangers!
This got severely exacerbated by the pandemic too. A lot of people who had zero business having a dog found themselves with a bit too much free time and decided a new dog was the solution.
I’m going to go out on a limb here, but if you get a dog as a quick fix to your own problems without putting a LOT of thought into it first, you might not be the best person to have a dog.
That’s why these discussions generally come down to understanding/misunderstanding ‘instincts’. Certain breeds have at least broadly understood instincts when it comes to offensive/defensive postures, and those instincts may never be triggered in their day to day, even year to year, routine…but extrapolating that to mean ‘my little Cuddles would never X if Y happened’ is dangerous and selfish.
Lots of dogs are like that too, but most don’t have tools to kill like a pit. You basically have all the aggression of a Yorkie and the bite of a bear. It doesn’t help that are pack motivated too. God help anything that looks like food or a toy when 2 of them are out.
That’s the argument. On one side it’s “Here’s a heap of statistics, and testimonials from Vets about how this breed was bred for fighting and is extremely dangerous to humans” and on the other side:
“Says the guy who probably tortures animals”.
So, of course it’s nasty. People who have actually been attacked by pitbulls, mauled and disabled by them, are fighting fucking morons. Really, really stupid people that care more about dogs than humans.
While I agree that pits have the capability to fuck your shit up 6 ways before you can blink, and along with breeds like the Pug should just be allowed to die off with the current generation, you are using a common tactic of “I’ll use the best argument to represent my side, and the worst argument to represent their side so it’s clear my side is superior” as a generalization for the entire opposing viewpoint.
Straw men blow away in strong winds. Build better arguments, you’ll make better points.
According to who the United Kennel club and the American Breeders association all recognize the breed. The American Kennel association does not.
Or is it because the full name is not being used sorry the American Pit Bull Terrier.
I always look at these posts of people writing about pit bulls out of a place of fear. And just shake my head. But the post I replied to talked about logic, and research. So let’s logic.
Top Google search,Wikipedia
"Pit bull is an umbrella term for several types of dog believed to have descended from bull and terriers.
“Pit bulls” are the most abundant dogs in the United states. The most common mutt is called a “Pit Bull”. Everyone who is afraid of dogs these days think Pit Bulls. I remember when it used to be German Shepards. People afraid of dogs would say German Shepards are evil dogs bred to hunt people.
Don’t be ruled by fear. Dogs are dogs. They are domesticated carnivores, and unknown dogs need to be treated with caution. You never know if they’ve been abused or have behavioral issues.
There’s two types of people: those who hate pitbulls, and those who’s pitbull hasn’t mauled someone yet.
Pets are family, so people have a knee-jerk reaction to anyone badmouthing their pets even if the other person has a point.
My sister has a rescue pit. He’s the sweetest dog ever - he was afraid of men for a while due to his previous owner, but gradually warmed up and now runs up to everyone he sees for cuddles.
However, when they took him to visit someone in a nursing home he ran off and bit one of the staff unprovoked. It turns out how a dog behaves around family versus around strangers are two completely different things, and dog owners rarely see the latter so judge their pet’s personality based on the former.
A dog can be an absolute angel around people introduced to them by someone they love and trust, but if their little doggy brain registers someone as a threat (or even just an intruder in their space) things can go very wrong, very quickly.
This so much. I’ve had dogs snarling at me, and the owner is like “Oh, don’t worry, he’s friendly.” Like no, he’s friendly towards people he knows, not random strangers!
This got severely exacerbated by the pandemic too. A lot of people who had zero business having a dog found themselves with a bit too much free time and decided a new dog was the solution.
I’m going to go out on a limb here, but if you get a dog as a quick fix to your own problems without putting a LOT of thought into it first, you might not be the best person to have a dog.
That’s why these discussions generally come down to understanding/misunderstanding ‘instincts’. Certain breeds have at least broadly understood instincts when it comes to offensive/defensive postures, and those instincts may never be triggered in their day to day, even year to year, routine…but extrapolating that to mean ‘my little Cuddles would never X if Y happened’ is dangerous and selfish.
Lots of dogs are like that too, but most don’t have tools to kill like a pit. You basically have all the aggression of a Yorkie and the bite of a bear. It doesn’t help that are pack motivated too. God help anything that looks like food or a toy when 2 of them are out.
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Says the guy who probably tortures animals.
That’s the argument. On one side it’s “Here’s a heap of statistics, and testimonials from Vets about how this breed was bred for fighting and is extremely dangerous to humans” and on the other side:
“Says the guy who probably tortures animals”.
So, of course it’s nasty. People who have actually been attacked by pitbulls, mauled and disabled by them, are fighting fucking morons. Really, really stupid people that care more about dogs than humans.
While I agree that pits have the capability to fuck your shit up 6 ways before you can blink, and along with breeds like the Pug should just be allowed to die off with the current generation, you are using a common tactic of “I’ll use the best argument to represent my side, and the worst argument to represent their side so it’s clear my side is superior” as a generalization for the entire opposing viewpoint.
Straw men blow away in strong winds. Build better arguments, you’ll make better points.
Is it a strawman if someone came and specifically argued that?
It’s a strawman if it’s presented as “the argument of that side”, yes.
Let’s try arguing fair then. I’ll start with one fact. There is no such breed as a pit bull. Now you go 😉.
Ok, then the pit bull type dogs should be banned since their attacks are more vicious than any other type of dog.
Well ok lol. Then my argument is, I disagree with you, I don’t even know if you understand what a logical argument is.
According to who the United Kennel club and the American Breeders association all recognize the breed. The American Kennel association does not. Or is it because the full name is not being used sorry the American Pit Bull Terrier.
I always look at these posts of people writing about pit bulls out of a place of fear. And just shake my head. But the post I replied to talked about logic, and research. So let’s logic.
Top Google search,Wikipedia "Pit bull is an umbrella term for several types of dog believed to have descended from bull and terriers.
“Pit bulls” are the most abundant dogs in the United states. The most common mutt is called a “Pit Bull”. Everyone who is afraid of dogs these days think Pit Bulls. I remember when it used to be German Shepards. People afraid of dogs would say German Shepards are evil dogs bred to hunt people.
Don’t be ruled by fear. Dogs are dogs. They are domesticated carnivores, and unknown dogs need to be treated with caution. You never know if they’ve been abused or have behavioral issues.