• NotAPenguin@kbin.social
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    Reminder that the animals people eat are also living and feeling beings who don’t want to die for your burger.

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      While you are correct, this is taking away from the outrage about the hurt animals mentioned in this post.

      Its rarely like: poor animals I’ve been eating all my life, I’ll be vegan now.

      It’s more often like: good point, I shouldn’t care about these animals neither.

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        You, hearing that someone is torturing monkeys: “ah yes that reminds me I should torture some monkeys”

        ???

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      I would still rather be killed and eaten than slowly tortured for weeks by someone making money off torture videos.

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          It just frustrates me a little when discussion of a specific issue gets immediately derailed into discussion of another related issue.

          Even now youtube has a ton of torture-adjacent videos about hurt or distressed baby monkeys, catering to the same group that the torture rings cater to.

          Immediately ignoring that in favour of the usual vegan talking points feels suboptimal, to me. There’s nothing actually wrong with paying specific attention to specific subjects sometimes.

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            It’s apparently always the wrong time to bring up what happens to “food” animals.

            When it’s on post about animal cruelty we’re derailing and taking away from the specific case.
            When it’s on any other post it’s irrelevant and preachy.

            So when should we speak up for the billions of animals getting needlessly abused and killed?

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              Surely there are articles on this subject that you can post.

              I don’t personally have a problem with vegans making points about their ethical beliefs in general. It’s just the derailing away and equivalence fallacy I dislike - ironically I think it trivialises both issues.

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                Any post about it outside vegan communities gets downvoted to hell.

                I’m glad you don’t personally have a problem with people against animal cruelty.

                Reminding people that they are paying for horrific animal abuse doesn’t take away from other cases of abuse.

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                  Any post about it outside vegan communities gets downvoted to hell.
                  

                  So maybe take the hint

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                    No, I won’t stop speaking up against billions of animals getting needlessly abused and killed just because the abusers don’t wanna hear it.

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            I totally agree.

            While there is an argument that eating meat is bad, we are talking about literally torturing animals without any purpose other than entertainment. This is a different level of awful.

            Appearently it’s never the right time to bring it up

            Put it in a discussion community, ask them, try to brainstorm a new normal. This is news, of course people won’t be very open to listen to ancillary discussion topics.

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        Most farmed plants are used as animal feed, eating plants directly uses much less.

        So even if this nonsense argument had any validity veganism would still be the answer.

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      I wonder what all the people downvoting think, do they disagree that “food” animals are also living beings?

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        They think this isn’t the time or place to bring that up. ffs have some tact. Or self awareness at least

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          It’s apparently always the wrong time to bring up what happens to “food” animals.

          When it’s on post about animal cruelty we’re derailing and taking away from the specific case.
          When it’s on any other post it’s irrelevant and preachy.

          So when should we speak up for the billions of animals getting needlessly abused and killed?