and being wealthy diminishes just about all of those reasons.scientifically, there are studies that prove it. the wealthy are less intelligent less logic less compassionate less connected to the world.
So take their money.
they dehumanize, in the terms that matter to me, themselves.
You dehumanize yourself when you dehumanize others.
I’m in favor of actually fixing the problem. that means a guillotine.
money us the concept of deserving and promise of agency, which has been pressed so deep into them that they are stained with it, to any remaining capitalist loyalists or other idiots.
you can take their money, but that isn’t really taking their money. youd need to take their faces, their names, their fingerprints, And the memories of all their secret stashes or things they could use to authenticate to associates. which seems way more fucked than just killing them.
dehumanize yourself
in what ways? ive been through an amount of shit, already skewed pretty far from default. might not be in a way that matters to me. hell, if you could lower my very human chance of breast cancer, I might even be willing to do something I find unpleasant.
generally I agree, but you need to be more specific here. maybe if I salt half as many people arguing half as much for the dignity and humanity of the unhoused and laboring classes, it would be easier to rake this shit seriously, but I’m not going to devote a second more than necessary to dealing with billionaires, and in a revolution, that means a bullet.
Robespierre
that fucker’s problem was trying to autocratically lead a movement of popular power while keeping the people infantilized. nothing wrong with killing the aristocracy.
if money were money, the stock market wouldn’t exist.
if money were money, Donald trump would be a beggar in a gutter.
if money were money, the wealthy would pay taxes.
if money were money, you could do a revolution with the power of gold.
its not, he’s not, they dont, and you can’t.
universal human dignity
why? based on what? at what point(s) does it start applying? at what point(s) does it stop?
what if I go into a coma. total vegetative state.
what if, in that vegetative state, my brain starts to physically die, which parts would I need still biologically functioning (though no longer effectively being a brain) to qualify?
if I take a shit, there are human cells in that. does it deserve dignity?
if I die, that’s human. does it deserve less dignity if it gets burned, or when the blood is switched out for embalming fluid?
what about another animal just as intelligent and just as capable of feeling as us, maybe more? say an elephant, a whale, a cuttlefish?
what about a hypothetical uploaded mind? or a from-scratch agi; what traits would it have to have to acquire various degrees of human dignity, and not just be a script/dataset for me to copy+paste+delete at my whim?
if you think about it, and make it more than some mystical magical woowoo bullshit, some things are going to have at least a talon/tentacle/hoof in that aren’t ‘human’ and some things are going to be out that appear very much ‘human’, and maybe even were in the past.
most if my criteria for giving a shit are things you are scientifically proven to lose with wealth. are they recoverable? maybe, in the way you can unmix a drink. and in an ideal world, maybe we should. we dont live in an ideal world. the labor cost and risk to others whose humanity is at risk (from dying) takes precedence; its a triage thing.
and if it’s happening; I might as well enjoy it. revenge can feel nice, even if its usually stupid and counterproductive.
okay so when I die where does that dignity go? my writings? my body, my soul?
because your version of this idea sounds anawful lot like a soul.
getting a bit off topic
no I’m not, you just can’t answer because you haven’t thought out your ideas. I don’t even think they’re inherently bad, I think youre just wearing them like an aesthetic.
What are you, a toddler? You asked for a cutoff and I gave you one. If you didn’t want an answer, don’t ask.
okay so when I die where does that dignity go? my writings? my body, my soul?
because your version of this idea sounds anawful lot like a soul.
What’s your point? I never mentioned “a soul” as it relates to human dignity but if even you seem to be using it as equivalent to or allegory for writings so what if it does sound like that?
Like you seem to be trying to sculpt my position to some preconceived notion you have of organized faith so you can then attack that when I have never mentioned religion.
I just said you shouldn’t murder people once you’ve already seized “their” assets.
what makes that cutoff meaningful? seems arbitrary. explain why its not?
is my corpse deserving of dignity? the computer program? the whale?
I’m saying you have essentialized ‘human’ and designated it special, without any explanation (or appreciation) of why it’s special or cool. it sounds an awful lot like ‘the thing I am is special because I’m one’. which sounds pretty Fucking religious to me.
so explain. feel free to get weird with it.
I’m also saying you can’t sieze all their assets. money isn’t just money, and its not the only thing that’s money.
I’m also saying you can’t sieze all their assets. money isn’t just money, and its not the only thing that’s money.
What the heck are you talking about? Find the things which can be exchanged for goods and services and that those things away. Cart off shiny rocks. 0 out electronic ledgers
Billionaire handshakes are meaningless. If you’ve seized all the food and means of production what does it matter if gardeners try to play Parker Bros. with one another?
So take their money.
You dehumanize yourself when you dehumanize others.
How did that work out for Robespierre?
money isn’t money though.
money us the concept of deserving and promise of agency, which has been pressed so deep into them that they are stained with it, to any remaining capitalist loyalists or other idiots.
you can take their money, but that isn’t really taking their money. youd need to take their faces, their names, their fingerprints, And the memories of all their secret stashes or things they could use to authenticate to associates. which seems way more fucked than just killing them.
in what ways? ive been through an amount of shit, already skewed pretty far from default. might not be in a way that matters to me. hell, if you could lower my very human chance of breast cancer, I might even be willing to do something I find unpleasant.
generally I agree, but you need to be more specific here. maybe if I salt half as many people arguing half as much for the dignity and humanity of the unhoused and laboring classes, it would be easier to rake this shit seriously, but I’m not going to devote a second more than necessary to dealing with billionaires, and in a revolution, that means a bullet.
that fucker’s problem was trying to autocratically lead a movement of popular power while keeping the people infantilized. nothing wrong with killing the aristocracy.
Pretty sure money is money, and you can take it.
It makes you the type of person who can dismiss the humanity of other humans as “other” and we know what kind of atrocities that leads to.
What about universal human dignity applying universally takes away the right of dignity from the unhoused?
Human dignity isn’t a zero-sum game. That’s billionaire thinking.
Take billionaires’ assets, not their lives (post-fact).
if money were money, the stock market wouldn’t exist.
if money were money, Donald trump would be a beggar in a gutter.
if money were money, the wealthy would pay taxes.
if money were money, you could do a revolution with the power of gold.
its not, he’s not, they dont, and you can’t.
why? based on what? at what point(s) does it start applying? at what point(s) does it stop?
what if I go into a coma. total vegetative state.
what if, in that vegetative state, my brain starts to physically die, which parts would I need still biologically functioning (though no longer effectively being a brain) to qualify?
if I take a shit, there are human cells in that. does it deserve dignity?
if I die, that’s human. does it deserve less dignity if it gets burned, or when the blood is switched out for embalming fluid?
what about another animal just as intelligent and just as capable of feeling as us, maybe more? say an elephant, a whale, a cuttlefish?
what about a hypothetical uploaded mind? or a from-scratch agi; what traits would it have to have to acquire various degrees of human dignity, and not just be a script/dataset for me to copy+paste+delete at my whim?
if you think about it, and make it more than some mystical magical woowoo bullshit, some things are going to have at least a talon/tentacle/hoof in that aren’t ‘human’ and some things are going to be out that appear very much ‘human’, and maybe even were in the past.
most if my criteria for giving a shit are things you are scientifically proven to lose with wealth. are they recoverable? maybe, in the way you can unmix a drink. and in an ideal world, maybe we should. we dont live in an ideal world. the labor cost and risk to others whose humanity is at risk (from dying) takes precedence; its a triage thing.
and if it’s happening; I might as well enjoy it. revenge can feel nice, even if its usually stupid and counterproductive.
Being Human
First breath; fetuses aren’t people
It doesn’t.
Getting a bit off topic your advocacy of murdering people after their wealth has been seized
Why the hell advocate violence if not to effect ideals?
which is what?
why?
okay so when I die where does that dignity go? my writings? my body, my soul?
because your version of this idea sounds anawful lot like a soul.
no I’m not, you just can’t answer because you haven’t thought out your ideas. I don’t even think they’re inherently bad, I think youre just wearing them like an aesthetic.
A supernatural comedy drama on BBC3
What are you, a toddler? You asked for a cutoff and I gave you one. If you didn’t want an answer, don’t ask.
What’s your point? I never mentioned “a soul” as it relates to human dignity but if even you seem to be using it as equivalent to or allegory for writings so what if it does sound like that?
Like you seem to be trying to sculpt my position to some preconceived notion you have of organized faith so you can then attack that when I have never mentioned religion.
I just said you shouldn’t murder people once you’ve already seized “their” assets.
see I don’t respect the BBC.
what makes that cutoff meaningful? seems arbitrary. explain why its not?
is my corpse deserving of dignity? the computer program? the whale?
I’m saying you have essentialized ‘human’ and designated it special, without any explanation (or appreciation) of why it’s special or cool. it sounds an awful lot like ‘the thing I am is special because I’m one’. which sounds pretty Fucking religious to me.
so explain. feel free to get weird with it.
I’m also saying you can’t sieze all their assets. money isn’t just money, and its not the only thing that’s money.
You shouldn’t.
Fetuses don’t have rights.
What the heck are you talking about? Find the things which can be exchanged for goods and services and that those things away. Cart off shiny rocks. 0 out electronic ledgers
Billionaire handshakes are meaningless. If you’ve seized all the food and means of production what does it matter if gardeners try to play Parker Bros. with one another?