Haven’t you been told that we don’t talk about that kind of oppression here? Everyone knows that mistreatment of humans is bad, but mistreatment of animals is just how things are supposed to be. They are just lesser beings after all, and such kind of thinking hasn’t lead to anything bad in history, so it’s not at all problematic.
Progressivism is about fighting oppression when it suits you, and meat is just soo convenient. The mega corps promised that nothing bad is happening there, so praise the factory farms!
Your sarcasm is so subtle that it took me a while to understand. Thanks for chiming in. I dont get why people downvote me for saying animals should be treated fairly (yes, as fairly as humans).
I’m autistic so pardon my ignorance but when did I criticize anyone? I literally said An thats why I support anti speciesism. and llinked an article and quoted it. You know, the thing that therapists show you: lead by example, send “me” messages as in say what you (would) do instead of criticizing the behavior of someone else. I’m genuinely baffled. Can you elaborate?
Ok… thanks, I guess. :) I didnt recognize i did it. Did I mention I was beaten up in school a lot. The reason was mostly this but I dont get it. If you tell me my opinion is trash I usually check if I went wrong, no harm in that.
My first instinct is to make another joke and say “So a warped perception? They should get that checked. Might be something serious.” but everyone would probably hate me even more for it.
The idea I had was that “exploitation” is the issue. Imho the reason why we shouldnt kill and eat other humans is because our society would seize to function and humans I assume dont taste good, not because its less ethical than killing an animal. if you have to kill to survive, I assume thats not exploitation. I dont even take issue with eating meat for nutrient reasons every now and then. I take issue with keeping animals in small pens for a short and miserable life and feel no shame at all about it. Thats what I find disgusting. And it translates to other humans (immigrants, disabled, mentally ill, women, etc.). Thats why I say we should change our view of that.
Modern humans are very fatty and highly stressed. I hate fatty meat and stress makes the meat taste bad. Not to talk about all the toxins they ingest. Even if they dont taste bad, I’m kinda over eating junkfood.
Yeah, your take makes perfect sense to me. I’m just letting you know why your original message gets interpreted negatively even by people who would otherwise agree with your message.
Take a minute to think about it. What’s the intention behind quoting this specific passage instead of another? Is it a continuation of your first statement and you’re providing this as the reason you support anti-speciesism (i.e. that you’re not racist/sexist)? Or are you trying to tell others that they’re racist/sexist for being specieist? Or are they completely disjoint and you just wanted to share a fun fact? Or maybe you intended something completely different? But I can’t think of how else to interpret it, so if that’s the case, you’d have to elaborate.
Thanks for elaborating. It was very helpful. My autistic brain works in weird ways. My intention is to tell people “please read about this and consider joining the movement because we need to change things or we will perish.” or something like that. I didnt mean to say anyone is anything really. It was just a good point that the article made imo. “look at this compelling argument” for example.
Maybe I should ask that I dont have this dimension of “someone does something that is not directly related to me but means me with it.” This has caused me intense trouble because other people do have it, apparently. Its how social hierarchy is often negotiated iirc. Does that make sense?
I wouldn’t say they’re equivalent. Obviously beating a fly isn’t as bad as beating a dog or a pig. But is beating a human much worse than beating a dog? For me it comes down to capacity to suffer I guess.
It’s also what farmers say when they decide to grow plants, and what racists say when they decide to be racist, and what lawmakers say about different types of vehicles, and what mathematicians say about true and false proofs, and what dieticians say about dinner and desert. “These two things aren’t the same and that should be taken into account” is such a universal concept that using any one example to push your agenda against me is laughable, even if sometimes people use it to be evil.
Haven’t you been told that we don’t talk about that kind of oppression here? Everyone knows that mistreatment of humans is bad, but mistreatment of animals is just how things are supposed to be. They are just lesser beings after all, and such kind of thinking hasn’t lead to anything bad in history, so it’s not at all problematic.
Progressivism is about fighting oppression when it suits you, and meat is just soo convenient. The mega corps promised that nothing bad is happening there, so praise the factory farms!
Your sarcasm is so subtle that it took me a while to understand. Thanks for chiming in. I dont get why people downvote me for saying animals should be treated fairly (yes, as fairly as humans).
That’s probably because you criticized their behavior (in a rather provocative way), which is often perceived as hostile and leads to downvotes.
I’m autistic so pardon my ignorance but when did I criticize anyone? I literally said An thats why I support anti speciesism. and llinked an article and quoted it. You know, the thing that therapists show you: lead by example, send “me” messages as in say what you (would) do instead of criticizing the behavior of someone else. I’m genuinely baffled. Can you elaborate?
People often react badly when you show them a mirror to their own hypocrisy. It causes a psychological disturbance called cognitive dissonance.
Please keep doing it.
Ok… thanks, I guess. :) I didnt recognize i did it. Did I mention I was beaten up in school a lot. The reason was mostly this but I dont get it. If you tell me my opinion is trash I usually check if I went wrong, no harm in that.
Anyway, have a nice day or night.
You’re not trash and nothing you did was the reason you were beaten up. Its the fault of the oppressors, never the victim of oppression
Thats very nice of you to day. Thanks :)
Lol people coping with cognitive dissonance via downvoting
Perceived ad-hominem from your quote which implies that you are racist and sexist if you eat meat.
My first instinct is to make another joke and say “So a warped perception? They should get that checked. Might be something serious.” but everyone would probably hate me even more for it.
The idea I had was that “exploitation” is the issue. Imho the reason why we shouldnt kill and eat other humans is because our society would seize to function and humans I assume dont taste good, not because its less ethical than killing an animal. if you have to kill to survive, I assume thats not exploitation. I dont even take issue with eating meat for nutrient reasons every now and then. I take issue with keeping animals in small pens for a short and miserable life and feel no shame at all about it. Thats what I find disgusting. And it translates to other humans (immigrants, disabled, mentally ill, women, etc.). Thats why I say we should change our view of that.
Does it make sense now?
I dont know why you assume humans taste worse that other animals.
We supposedly taste like veal according to Google. I don’t know how they determined this though.
Modern humans are very fatty and highly stressed. I hate fatty meat and stress makes the meat taste bad. Not to talk about all the toxins they ingest. Even if they dont taste bad, I’m kinda over eating junkfood.
Ok, so just eat the rich then
Obviously but bot for nutrition. Think about all the botox and plastic parts they can afford. Eww
Yeah, your take makes perfect sense to me. I’m just letting you know why your original message gets interpreted negatively even by people who would otherwise agree with your message.
Take a minute to think about it. What’s the intention behind quoting this specific passage instead of another? Is it a continuation of your first statement and you’re providing this as the reason you support anti-speciesism (i.e. that you’re not racist/sexist)? Or are you trying to tell others that they’re racist/sexist for being specieist? Or are they completely disjoint and you just wanted to share a fun fact? Or maybe you intended something completely different? But I can’t think of how else to interpret it, so if that’s the case, you’d have to elaborate.
Thanks for elaborating. It was very helpful. My autistic brain works in weird ways. My intention is to tell people “please read about this and consider joining the movement because we need to change things or we will perish.” or something like that. I didnt mean to say anyone is anything really. It was just a good point that the article made imo. “look at this compelling argument” for example.
Maybe I should ask that I dont have this dimension of “someone does something that is not directly related to me but means me with it.” This has caused me intense trouble because other people do have it, apparently. Its how social hierarchy is often negotiated iirc. Does that make sense?
No, you’re speciest if you eat animals. And that’s just as bad as being sexist or racist
You make a good point but equating mistreatment of different humans with mistreatment of a different species entirely is a false equivalence.
I wouldn’t say they’re equivalent. Obviously beating a fly isn’t as bad as beating a dog or a pig. But is beating a human much worse than beating a dog? For me it comes down to capacity to suffer I guess.
That’s much more reasonable. I think I’d agree.
Found the speciesist
Yeah. There are demonstrable and fundamental differences between species, so they should be treated differently.
That’s exactly what eugenicists said in the US, Germany, and elsewhere
It’s also what farmers say when they decide to grow plants, and what racists say when they decide to be racist, and what lawmakers say about different types of vehicles, and what mathematicians say about true and false proofs, and what dieticians say about dinner and desert. “These two things aren’t the same and that should be taken into account” is such a universal concept that using any one example to push your agenda against me is laughable, even if sometimes people use it to be evil.