• SorryQuick@lemmy.ca
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    7 months ago

    I’m not talking about one checksum that’s hardcoded somewhere, I mean they calculate it every time you close the save. Do they actually do that, I don’t know, but they could if they wanted to.

    The reason why I linked some random other game is because nobody is saying this is the game’s fault, but Denuvo’s fault. Denuvo behaves extremely similarly regardless of the game it runs on, so if it happens for most other games, good chance it happens for this one too.

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      7 months ago

      I’m not talking about one checksum that’s hardcoded somewhere, I mean they calculate it every time you close the save. Do they actually do that, I don’t know, but they could if they wanted to.

      They could do anything, and anyone can claim they are doing things without evidence. I have seen nothing except this person’s comment that it’s happening, and even what you posted has nothing to do with save files. I don’t believe such a thing is happening because I haven’t seen any evidence for it and have seen many people discuss deleting their saves. A claim like that needs evidence. It’s going to make people fearful of deleting saves.

      Why did you come do defend this person’s specific claim only to say “Denuvo bad.” We all already know that. We don’t need to make shit up about it. Please stop. Criticize what we actually know is happening with the game. There’s plenty.

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        7 months ago

        I will say it one last time, this is closed-source software, the only “proof” you may get is many people sharing the same experience.

        https://www.pcinvasion.com/psa-dont-delete-your-dragons-dogma-2-save-files/ https://steamcommunity.com/app/2054970/discussions/0/4289188745218377532/ https://www.videogamer.com/news/dragons-dogma-2-denuvo-bricking-the-game-on-steam/

        All of those seem to say it happens. How many testimonies do you need to consider it “evidence” as you say?

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          7 months ago

          Once again, these are secondary sources at best. “people are saying that they heard somewhere that…” Are these using the same secondary source? I don’t know. I haven’t seen any evidence that it happens with save files.

          The second third (didn’t realize it was 3) link also mentions switching Proton versions too much can cause issues and uses a primary source, and I saw that review the other night while looking at reviews. That is much more trustworthy.

          I’m not saying it isn’t happening, but I don’t trust what everyone says. I also don’t trust that a user actually knows what triggered an action. The number of people I’ve seen say the saves are stored online because they don’t understand Steam Cloud is proof that a lot of users aren’t technologically literate enough to just take their word. With there being no first hand source, and potentially both of what you linked using the same secondary source, I still see no reason to believe this.

          So, “How many testimonies do you need to consider it “evidence” as you say?” More than 0, which is what we’re at right now.

          Edit: Missed the first article when I clicked the links the first time. Even it says it can’t verify the reports and it’s just gathered from forums (and proceeds to not cite them). Any half decent journalist would verify it for themselves, but we know these aren’t journalists, they’re blogs that just repeat any drama they can find. Still only secondary sources at best with no citation, so nothing to be taken as anything more than the comment above saying “they heard it happened to someone.”