My primary argument is that they post hateful content and covid conspiracies and it is irresponsible to platform this by including it in our federation. Secondly we already got rid of lemmygrad. Thirdly, there’s little to be lost in the defederation given the type of stuff being posted over there. Do as thou wilt

Aye and nays pls

Edit: putting the screencaps I posted below here for clarity

I should probably put a content warning so

CW: homophobia, transphobia, and just being a shithead.

Edit 2: let’s try not to downvote people just saying nay. Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree.

Edit 3: Imma be real with y’all, this has been a real shitshow. We gotta work out some kinda single voting infrastructure because the ayes and Nays isn’t efficient at all.

  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
    115·
    1 year ago

    And you think letting them take part in discussions here won’t make users outside their instance convert? The more they can spread their message the more people join their cause and more join then leave. Sure some are already over there and don’t believe their bs, there’s a lot less of them than potential converts on Lemmy at large.

    • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
      34·
      1 year ago

      But are they coming to this instance in any significant capacity? If they keep their discussions/trolling off of this instance then I don’t see any benefit. Individuals can already block the instance on their own accounts.

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
        102·
        1 year ago

        They’ve started:

        https://sh.itjust.works/comment/293823

        Same tactic as always too, there’s nothing special about Lemmy that will prevent the alt-right and tankies from spreading if no measures are taken. We’ve already defederated from the tankies instance, why not do the same with the other extreme?

        • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          22·
          1 year ago

          Is it just the 1 person trolling so far then? Because that’s all I’ve seen your links. If it’s one troll, then the admins here can just ban them and move on.

          As the saying goes, 1 is chance, 2 is a coincidence, 3+ is a pattern

          • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            82·
            1 year ago

            One trolling, one recruiting.

            That’s exactly how it begins on every single platform. How long do we wait before applying knowledge learned from all other social medias?

            • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              31·
              1 year ago

              Seems a bit early to resort to the slippery slope fallacy.

              I’ll reiterate my stance: there doesn’t seem to be an extended history of trolling from them (yet), and there’s nothing stopping you or anyone else here from blocking their content from your own account. If that changes and they start trolling or breaking rules here, then I’ll definitely support defederating from them, but at the moment that seems to be overkill.

              Meanwhile, I’ll point out that there’s spots in this thread where you have been less than civil over mere differences in opinion. That is not how you get people to side with you.

              • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                53·
                1 year ago

                Is it really a slippery slope fallacy if the same story repeats itself on all social media platforms that don’t censor the alt-right? What makes Lemmy special that would prevent it?

                  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                    31·
                    1 year ago

                    Eh what? 😂

                    Find me a study showing that sexual orientation is contagious and spreads through social media like extremist opinions do. Please, humour me!

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
        84·
        1 year ago

        What I don’t want is to see more people join them, I know I’m not at risk, but some people are.