The false notion that undocumented immigrants affect federal elections has a long history. But this year, due in part to rising migration at the U.S. southern border, the idea could have new potency.

  • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.com
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    4 months ago

    So are you saying that in these cases, where voter fraud was detected and people were charged for it, they took “no risk”?

    They’re not being deported (absent from the list). They can’t legally work… so you can’t take money from them (making the fines pointless). The most you can do is put them in prison according to the “if convicted” list. I’m not sure that they care all that much about that in general if they’re coming from countries where you can’t find food or housing… prison might be okay and acceptable to them outright.

    So what would work, in your view?

    I’m not sure. And I never claimed to have an answer. But believing that some “nebulous” risk that nobody can define is stopping it from happening just isn’t a sane belief. It’s happening. To what scale? I have no idea either.

    At the bare minimum I’d like deportation to be on the list for those we catch doing something that’s illegal. That previous article should have had all of those people removed from the USA IMO.

    ineligible voters accidentally voting?

    I’m more worried that somebody out there told an illegal alien that they could vote. Some stage in that process is either a lot of malice… or a lot of stupidity. Either way that’s something that could/should be fixed if it’s at all possible to.

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    prison might be okay and acceptable to them outright.

    To elaborate on this as well… We don’t have that much free prison space anyway… And I would even propose that many states don’t want prison time for those who commit non-violent crimes anyway. This public sentiment severely limits the perception of going to jail for voting illegally as well.

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      4 months ago

      Like I said in a previous response to you, removal is definitely on the list for unlawful voting. It is just a separate proceeding from the criminal prosecution. If prison time is warranted for a crime, time is typically served before removal proceedings are initiated.

      Here is a case where a green card holder was being deported when, at least according to her, she mistakenly believed she was allowed to vote when she could not: https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/peru-native-who-voted-illegally-two-u-s-elections-now-n746721

      If her account is true, that looks like a lot of ignorance on both sides to me, not necessarily malice or gross stupidity.