• starman2112@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    I can absolutely tell you how to vote, and you can absolutely ignore me. But next year, if Trump wins, it will be your fault. Just like it’s my fault that so many women don’t have access to basic medical care because I didn’t want Clinton in office. The country and the world will be worse if we let Trump win, and there is exactly one legal way that we can work against Trump winning.

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      9 months ago

      if Trump wins, it will be your fault

      the only people responsible for electing trump are those who vote for him. i’m not doing that, so it can’t be my fault.

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        9 months ago

        If there are 10 people including you and the majority chooses who gets to be president and the vote ends up as 5 for Biden (including you) and 5 for Trump. Then the vote gets recast and the only thing that changes is that you decided not to vote for Biden, it would be 5/4 for Trump and the person responsible for electing Trump would be everyone who voted for him and you. If you had voted against Trump instead of abstaining, he would not have become president.

        That’s a very basic concept and it’s clear that it extrapolates to the actual election.

                  • Femsoup [She/Her]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                    9 months ago

                    Woah there, hold your argumentum ad populum! No ethics model is unflawed and just because deontological ethics work often doesn’t mean they don’t have problems. Instead of looking at the actions you can take, let’s look at the results that could be reached:

                    1. Biden wins presidency
                    2. Trump wins presidency
                    3. 3rd party wins presidency

                    No 3rd party has ever achieved presidency. Votes for a 3rd party have instead commonly resulted in votes being drawn from one party benefiting the other. So realistically we could generalise to:

                    1. Voting 3rd party: Aiding Trumps victory
                    2. Voting Trump: Aiding Trumps victory
                    3. Voting Biden: Aiding Trumps loss

                    I hate dichotomies as much as you, these shouldn’t be the options, I would seriously love to be proven wrong. Am I missing something?