• z00s@lemmy.world
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    Education is, unironically, the best tool to combat inequality, but the effect only kicks in after the students have finished school.

    In the meantime, uniforms cut down on bullying. What else do you want them to do? They don’t have a magic wand, nor do they have magic money to hand out to struggling parents.

    Edit: unironically some of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read on the internet in this thread.

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      In the meantime, uniforms cut down on bullying.

      Do they? I don’t think so, people are just gonna get bullied with different “reasons”, it’s not really about the clothes after all.

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        I never saw someone got bullied for their clothes in my environment.

        But kids got bullied for wearing glasses, let’s hope they ban those then. Also, better to not let kids with weird accents in school. Wouldn’t want to provoke the bullies.

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          So you got rid of one reason to bully, so bullies shifted to other stuff. How does this help now? Are there some studies, that prove school uniforms lead to quantitative less bullying? If yes, I would be interested in that.

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            Maybe we should seriously address the issues of the individual bullies. Instead of just banning them from school for a week. And teach the teachers how to do that. Maybe we should start creating a public school system that’s able to take care of the kids.

            I am sure there are quite a lot of teachers with good ideas, maybe the lawmakers should listen to them. Although mandatory uniforms likely might turn out as being cheaper, especially when the parents have to pay for them equally, whether they’re rich or poor.

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              Well you sound like you know more than all those other people, why don’t you let them know about your expertise?

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          In addition to the ambivalence of wearers’ feelings, there are mixed data on the impact of uniform on bullying.

          Doesn’t sound like concrete evidence to me

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          If someone changed their mind after reading a single study, you could get them to believe anything.

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            That’s because you’re cherry picking.

            “The literature identified indicates that uniforms have no direct impact on academic performance, yet directly impact physical and psychological health.”

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            That’s because you’re cherry picking.

            “The literature identified indicates that uniforms have no direct impact on academic performance, yet directly impact physical and psychological health.”

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            And yet most people on Lemmy base their beliefs on a single online article

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                  Your feelings don’t qualify as disproof, chum.

                  Look up the evidence yourself. No need to show the world how bitter you are that a teacher once gave you a detention for being insufferable.

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      There is enough magic money to distribute if France (and every other country) would tax the rich.

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      That’s not even true. Children can differentiate between the cheap and expensive uniforms

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        Aren’t they provided by the school? Or can you have a super high class tailor make you a uniform? I have no idea about school uniforms.

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      What else do you want them to do?

      How about working with troubled kids to address the underlying issues?

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        You think schools don’t have councillors? What do you think these “underlying issues” that contribute to inequality are?

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          You think schools don’t have councillors?

          Oh some do, but it’s certainly something which could use a lot more funds. That would definitely be much better at tackling bullying than school uniforms.

          What do you think these “underlying issues” that contribute to inequality are?

          I was talking about the “underlying issues” of bullies.

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      I’ve noticed that people on Lemmy aren’t happy with incremental change for the better. It always has to be a magic solution that solves everything. It’s pretty silly but also understandable considering the demographics of Lemmy.