“I know I am in the right so I hold my head high knowing their day is coming”
This right here seems to be the biggest problem with conspiracy and conservative types, the unfailing certainty of their righteousness, this seems to be why you can’t reason with them, and if you tie in their religion then they start with their surety that “God” is on their side.
Maybe if they had the strength of character to deal with their self-doubts rather than bolstering their infallibility by dismissing their doubts as weaknesses, maybe we could get somewhere with these people.
It’s almost impossible to reason someone out of a position that they didn’t reason themselves into. Conspiracy theories hold allure for some people because it gives them some sense that the world actually does make sense, but only people who know what to see can truly understand. The scary part is that these are usually otherwise intelligent people.
I personally see this whole “sovereign citizen” garbage as the next “logical” step in their delusions. They’re asserting “control” over their situations, or so they’ve convinced themselves.
One of the smartest, nicest guys I thought I knew was a former NASA avionics systems engineer, his office walls held a bunch of patents from things this guy had designed over the years, I was okay with the conspiracy side of him, we could relate and bs about that stuff, but when he voted for Trump and began with the MAGA bs I couldn’t deal with him anymore. So yeah, I agree completely, there are some really smart intelligent people getting sucked into this stuff and how do you tell someone that not only thinks they’re smarter than you, but also you think they’re smarter than you, that they’re wrong, seems like an impossible task.
In my experience, especially engineers are very likely to be sucked into this. More especiallier, retired engineers.
Engineers are basically taught, that a) the entire world is a clock waiting to be understood and b) they are the smartest persons in most rooms, which makes them the only ones who are capable of understanding the clock.
Their entire life is solving problems which are clear cause/effect relationships, and most importantly: solvable by them. So they start to think exactly like that. And if you look into the internal logic of conspiracies, it’s always clear cause and effect. Things don’t “just happen”, they always have someone responsible.
You need to know enough about the subject to ask them questions. Questions are irresistible to smart people. Learn about the subject to know why they’re wrong.
Ask, “if you were in a burning hospital which would you save first: the babies or the refrigerator full of embryos?”
Honestly, just be confident in your opinions. Know why you believe what you do. Many people don’t. They just have things they want to believe.
“I know I am in the right so I hold my head high knowing their day is coming”
This right here seems to be the biggest problem with conspiracy and conservative types, the unfailing certainty of their righteousness, this seems to be why you can’t reason with them, and if you tie in their religion then they start with their surety that “God” is on their side.
Maybe if they had the strength of character to deal with their self-doubts rather than bolstering their infallibility by dismissing their doubts as weaknesses, maybe we could get somewhere with these people.
It’s almost impossible to reason someone out of a position that they didn’t reason themselves into. Conspiracy theories hold allure for some people because it gives them some sense that the world actually does make sense, but only people who know what to see can truly understand. The scary part is that these are usually otherwise intelligent people.
I personally see this whole “sovereign citizen” garbage as the next “logical” step in their delusions. They’re asserting “control” over their situations, or so they’ve convinced themselves.
One of the smartest, nicest guys I thought I knew was a former NASA avionics systems engineer, his office walls held a bunch of patents from things this guy had designed over the years, I was okay with the conspiracy side of him, we could relate and bs about that stuff, but when he voted for Trump and began with the MAGA bs I couldn’t deal with him anymore. So yeah, I agree completely, there are some really smart intelligent people getting sucked into this stuff and how do you tell someone that not only thinks they’re smarter than you, but also you think they’re smarter than you, that they’re wrong, seems like an impossible task.
In my experience, especially engineers are very likely to be sucked into this. More especiallier, retired engineers.
Engineers are basically taught, that a) the entire world is a clock waiting to be understood and b) they are the smartest persons in most rooms, which makes them the only ones who are capable of understanding the clock.
Their entire life is solving problems which are clear cause/effect relationships, and most importantly: solvable by them. So they start to think exactly like that. And if you look into the internal logic of conspiracies, it’s always clear cause and effect. Things don’t “just happen”, they always have someone responsible.
You need to know enough about the subject to ask them questions. Questions are irresistible to smart people. Learn about the subject to know why they’re wrong.
Ask, “if you were in a burning hospital which would you save first: the babies or the refrigerator full of embryos?”
Honestly, just be confident in your opinions. Know why you believe what you do. Many people don’t. They just have things they want to believe.
I know so many people like this. It boggles my mind.
The ones that come to their senses would be pretty quiet about it, to be fair. We likely wouldn’t hear from them.