Thereā€™s this rising narrative going around that if you ask specifically for a CIS partner, youā€™re a transphobe. That could be true for some people but itā€™s not fundamentally related to bigotry. Moreover, this narrative, the ā€œif you only want a CIS mate then that is prejudiceā€ is trampling on one of the most important rights a person can have: the right to choose who they want to get intimate with.

First of all, transmen are in fact men and transwomen are in fact women. Letā€™s get that out of the way. This isnā€™t a foot in the door for ā€œtrans this really isnā€™t thatā€ narratives. What this is about it is the freedom to choose who you want to be intimate with. That right is sancrosanct, it is absolutely inviolable.

And yes, thereā€™s plenty of issues that make transgender dating a special issue. If someone reveals their TG status they can be open to hate crimes and even deadly violence. However all marginalized groups are special in their own way. As a black man I donā€™t think itā€™s racist if a woman says she doesnā€™t want to date a black man. I face oppression, too. My class is special in its own way. One group isnā€™t more special than the other. None of us have the right to force ourselves upon those who donā€™t want to be intimate with us, even by omitting who we really are.

Really, if you have to deceive or hide who you are in order to date someone, do you really want to date them? I wouldnā€™t. Thatā€™s not fair to you and youā€™re denying them their right to choose who they want. What do you think will happen when the person wants a CIS mate and they discover the truth? Theyā€™re going to get pissed and dump you. Now you have to shame them into staying with you: ā€œIf you loved me for real this wouldnā€™t bother youā€ā€¦ thatā€™s not going to convince anyone. Theyā€™re either going to leave, or theyā€™ll resent you forever. Thatā€™s just how it is. You can be mad at that but thatā€™s about as effective as protesting the rising of the sun. Thereā€™s just no way to win once youā€™ve gone down that road.

ā€œI want a CIS mateā€ is not the same as ā€œtrans women are not womenā€ - one is a preference, the other is harmful prejudice. On the flip side CIS people who do date trans people shouldnā€™t be shamed for their choices either. A man should be free to date a trans woman and not catch flak about it. Trans people should be able to be openly trans and not face hate speech or threats to their well-being. This, without any exception whatsoever.

The fundamental fact is when you shame or worse abrogate peopleā€™s right to choose who they want to get intimate with, itā€™s not going to end well for you. All youā€™re going to get is people who resent being coerced or bullied to date people they donā€™t want to. And thatā€™s not something the country, or the world, will ever put up with. Except that right now, most people donā€™t imagine they can be labeled a transphobe just for wanting a CIS mate. And unpopular opinion: that should be nipped in the bud.

  • TheDoozer@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    17
    arrow-down
    4
    Ā·
    10 months ago

    This isnā€™t a first amendment issue, or an issue of what people should be allowed to say. Itā€™s a question of etiquette, and not being rude. The thing is, saying each of those things would drive away more than just those specifically excluded.

    To give a better example, if I were on a dating site and saw a woman who said ā€œNo guys under 6 ft,ā€ and I were taller than 6 ft, I still wouldnā€™t want anything to do with that woman. It give a completely different vibe, however, to say ā€œI really like tall guys.ā€ I get, though, that thereā€™s not a positive equivalent for the original question.

    • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      Ā·
      10 months ago

      Isnā€™t it better that people get to show their inner asshole in their profiles so that you can just ignore them and move on instead of them having to hide it because of ā€œetiquetteā€ and then youā€™re only going to find out later after youā€™ve already invested time and effort into them?

      If someone not wanting to date a person under 6ft is a red flag to you, then isnā€™t it good that you found out right away? Imagine if they didnā€™t say this and you only found out when she calls the waiter a manlet on your 3rd date.

    • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      2
      Ā·
      10 months ago

      Itā€™s as if you havenā€™t really read what I wrote, repeating what I said with that disagreeing tone.

      • TheDoozer@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        Ā·
        10 months ago

        Iā€™m having trouble understanding what you mean by this, but to be clear, somebody putting the things you mentioned in their profiles would make them seem rude or generally unappealing. I think that is precisely what the OP was trying to avoid.

        • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          Ā·
          edit-2
          10 months ago

          The OP repeated what I said in my comment, phrasing it as if thereā€™s an argument, so now there is one over the OP deciding what others mean before reading their comments.