Thereā€™s this rising narrative going around that if you ask specifically for a CIS partner, youā€™re a transphobe. That could be true for some people but itā€™s not fundamentally related to bigotry. Moreover, this narrative, the ā€œif you only want a CIS mate then that is prejudiceā€ is trampling on one of the most important rights a person can have: the right to choose who they want to get intimate with.

First of all, transmen are in fact men and transwomen are in fact women. Letā€™s get that out of the way. This isnā€™t a foot in the door for ā€œtrans this really isnā€™t thatā€ narratives. What this is about it is the freedom to choose who you want to be intimate with. That right is sancrosanct, it is absolutely inviolable.

And yes, thereā€™s plenty of issues that make transgender dating a special issue. If someone reveals their TG status they can be open to hate crimes and even deadly violence. However all marginalized groups are special in their own way. As a black man I donā€™t think itā€™s racist if a woman says she doesnā€™t want to date a black man. I face oppression, too. My class is special in its own way. One group isnā€™t more special than the other. None of us have the right to force ourselves upon those who donā€™t want to be intimate with us, even by omitting who we really are.

Really, if you have to deceive or hide who you are in order to date someone, do you really want to date them? I wouldnā€™t. Thatā€™s not fair to you and youā€™re denying them their right to choose who they want. What do you think will happen when the person wants a CIS mate and they discover the truth? Theyā€™re going to get pissed and dump you. Now you have to shame them into staying with you: ā€œIf you loved me for real this wouldnā€™t bother youā€ā€¦ thatā€™s not going to convince anyone. Theyā€™re either going to leave, or theyā€™ll resent you forever. Thatā€™s just how it is. You can be mad at that but thatā€™s about as effective as protesting the rising of the sun. Thereā€™s just no way to win once youā€™ve gone down that road.

ā€œI want a CIS mateā€ is not the same as ā€œtrans women are not womenā€ - one is a preference, the other is harmful prejudice. On the flip side CIS people who do date trans people shouldnā€™t be shamed for their choices either. A man should be free to date a trans woman and not catch flak about it. Trans people should be able to be openly trans and not face hate speech or threats to their well-being. This, without any exception whatsoever.

The fundamental fact is when you shame or worse abrogate peopleā€™s right to choose who they want to get intimate with, itā€™s not going to end well for you. All youā€™re going to get is people who resent being coerced or bullied to date people they donā€™t want to. And thatā€™s not something the country, or the world, will ever put up with. Except that right now, most people donā€™t imagine they can be labeled a transphobe just for wanting a CIS mate. And unpopular opinion: that should be nipped in the bud.

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    Is it not more tiring to come out to someone youā€™re more emotionally invested in, though?

    Thereā€™s obviously the safety issues that the OP mentioned, but wouldnā€™t it be easier to not have to deal with an eventual reveal?

    Why invest the time and energy into someone who has that much higher a chance that theyā€™ll deny you when you come out?

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      Yes, but then you would have to come out to everyone first time.

      Hi, hereā€™s your coffee. Thanks, Iā€™m trans.

      Hi X, meet my friend Y. Hi Y, Iā€™m gay, my name is X, nice to meet you. Umm, Iā€™m not sure I needed to know that.

      What about a work colleague that you canā€™t avoid but they are new and you donā€™t know how they will react.

      Thatā€™s the point. The big coming out is for people you are emotionally invested in at that point in time. Then you have to make snap decisions and considered decisions for every new person forever.

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        Hi, hereā€™s your coffee. Thanks, Iā€™m trans.

        IMHO a work colleague, etc. has no business knowing if youā€™re LGBTQ. Only ever a potential dating partner.

        If telling a potential dating partner about your LGBTQ status is tiring and awkward then IMHO it is fully our bleeping fault as a society, not the LGBTQā€™s personā€™s fault. Society needs to work hard to correct that and I am 100% here for that. Though to be honest IMO the only time you ever (the word ā€˜everā€™ in this case should be on a Times Square billboard in glowing lights) need to come out as LGBTQ is in a dating situation.

        But now everyone should be free to live openly as LGBTQ anyway. They shouldnā€™t have to ā€œcome outā€. I donā€™t have to come out as cishetero in life. If I were single Iā€™d identify as cishetero just so a LGBTQ person who doesnā€™t want to date cishetero can swipe right by me on their way to someone they want, and Iā€™m okay with that. Iā€™d also identify as black and 5ā€™11 so people who donā€™t want to date black men or men under 6ā€™2 can swipe by. Fine by me. If LGBTQ canā€™t identify openly thatā€™s our fault, not theirs.

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          Why canā€™t a work colleague be a potential dating partner? Thatā€™s the point the person you were replying to was making. You donā€™t know who is going to be a common part of your life.

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            Because the Internet collectively decided that you shouldnā€™t dip your pen in company ink, so to speak. People are bad at communicating and breakups and some would rather quit their job than work alongside an ex every day, so they wonā€™t risk dating a co-worker.

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          So, how do you talk about your life at work. Do you keep quiet about your husband, as a wife is expected? If there is a social function, do you decline to go? Life is messier than that. Sometime work colleagues become friends. Knowing of someone is lgbtqi+ isnā€™t just about their sexuality, itā€™s about their lived experience.

          I completely agree, it is society that is not fully mature about these issues yet, which for someone whoā€™s been dealing with them all their life, for 20, 40, 60 years is tiring. Itā€™s not that your boss is homophobic. Itā€™s that you donā€™t know and they might be. So you edit yourself. Constantly. Some choose not to but it can be risky, or others canā€™t as itā€™s more obvious.

          Saying it is society at fault, or the other person doesnā€™t make that an easier experience for lgbtqi people. Certainly, in dating, people should know anything that they may be averse to. That may include someoneā€™s trans status. Does it include their sexuality? Does a bisexual person have to disclose that before intimacy with a person of the opposite sex?

          Itā€™s a murky subject. If society was accepting, I donā€™t think it would be fair to not disclose, but if society was accepting, there would be no need to disclose. Itā€™s a catch 22.