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I think teaching people how protests work is pretty important praxis and is not talked about nearly enough.
Moderates and liberals tend to think of protest and demonstration as the same thing and anything that is not a demonstration is generally though of as bad or counterproductive.
Most of the populace simply doesn’t understand that blocking roads or getting arrested have strategic value. They consider the goal of every protest to be to raise awareness and support and to convince people like them ™️ that any given cause is worth supporting and that their support is all it really takes to a make change happen. It’s a very self-centered view of how political movement work and it seems unfortunately quite obiquitous.
They see a road block and think “that just makes you look bad” and the thought process ends there because now your movement isn’t worth supporting in their eyes. If you try to explain that blocking off roads is often done to cut off supply lines to financial districts or big corporations and put economic pressure on them or the politicians they donate to, they refuse to engage with the idea entirely or claim that it doesn’t actually work and the only way to protest successfully is to win over people like them even though they’ve probably never been to a demonstration, let alone a direct action event and if they did they’d probably do more harm than good given how ignorant they are on the subject.
We really need to educate people about protesting tactics, how they work, what they actually seek to achieve, and how different methods put pressure on different areas to get different effects and I think you probably can’t teach this to older generations but younger generations are capable of learning and we really need them to learn this.
Teaching people to think in terms of systems and take a structural approach when trying to change a system is paramount because, in the current state of things, the common belief seems to be if enough people wave signs from the sidewalk, things magically work out in the end.
That’s stupid as fuck. You don’t need to snottily educate people on why the dumb shit you’re doing has complex implications beyond the visible annoyance to the regular person. You need to find a way of protesting that has that regular person go “Fuck yeah! Let’s do this shit!”.
You’re exactly why this post exists and you refuse to see it
You’re exactly why posts like mine exist and you refuse to see that.
See? I can do it too.
“I know you are but what am i” tier response cx
Yes it is, because that’s the level you’re reducing it at.
You claim to know better, to predict how the situation will turn out, but then you jump in it anyway just so you can say “I knew it!”.
I too know how to throw a tantrum in the middle of a supermarket aisle because mommy and daddy aren’t buying me what I want, hoping that if I annoy everyone enough, they’ll cave in.
But unlike other kids, I also know it doesn’t really work that way. I don’t know how to do it better, yet I understand that way isn’t working. Do you?
The post doesn’t argue the point adequately though, it basically just implies people who think these protests are useless are ignorant. It’s completely pseudo intellectual, there is no argument made here. Stop pretending there’s some great wisdom lost on us when we point out how obvious it is that this is pissing people off and hurting your cause.
We’re not ignorant, we just disagree. On the contrary, it takes quite a bit of ignorance to brush off criticism of how harmful these protests are when it’s happening right in front of you.
And what do you probably that hasn’t already been tried and failed?
Why go for new things? Just do the same thing the other side does, but do it better.
The other side has the entire backing of the oil and gas industry, as well as the growth of capitalism itself. The other side is on the side of the massively dominant ideology and economy system.
And? If that’s such an insurmountable problem, why even bother?
So your solution is to give up?
I don’t have a solution. But I know that aggravating the situation for the wrong people isn’t at all helpful.
Let’s say you have a cold. You’re dizzy, nose is stuffed, throat is scratching and shivering like hell.
Then somebody shows up and yells into your ear “Hey, you should do something about that!”.
Will that help you? No. It will only add a headache on top of all the other issues.
because not fighting means getting killed, being marginalized, getting the groundwater poisoned, losing rights, getting put into concentration camps, etc? its not complicated. lots of people don’t have the luxury to just not “bother”. they aren’t blocking roads cuz they like it, people who do direct action can get put in fucking prison. they’re doing it because they don’t have the choice to sit on the sidelines and whine about how annoying protests are.
like, for real, do you think the people who built the civil rights movement didn’t hold meetings on this exact thing? that they didn’t talk about blocking roads and airports? that they didn’t do sit-ins and other kinds of direct action? like, if you think this is stupid as fuck, you must think a great deal of the people who built and participated in the civil rights movement were pretty fucking stupid, because they were doing this shit, and it was against the law, and it was the law that broke first.
I think people need to adjust to the times. Just because it worked for people in the past doesn’t mean it will work again now.
Times change, people change, tactics change.
Governments and corporations have studied past protests and never stopped looking for ways to break them apart.
Without the means to counter their updated forms of interference, those old, rickety forms of protest will only fail.
I never said to stop protests and demonstrations. I said to do them differently or to do them better.
i’m sorry, but you really aren’t in a position to be saying anything about how effective these strategies are. direct action continues to be a huge part of basically every modern social movement up to and including the largest protests in history. if you aren’t open to learning those reasons, you have no grounds to contest their efficacy.
And yet here we are, on groundless planes, contesting. Ain’t that something?