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Beeper users say Apple is now blocking their Macs from using iMessage entirely::The Apple-versus-Beeper saga is not over yet it seems, even though the iMessage-on-Android Beeper Mini was removed from the Play Store last week. Now,
FUCK APPLE, but they have so many people that let them ass fuck them they continue to do shits like this
Devils advocate here: it’s their webservice right? They determine who can access it.
If there were legislation that would force them to make it interoperable that would be one thing. But you can’t just demand access to their infrastructure.
You’re right - but, as Cory Doctorow points out, Apple owe their success to reverse engineering, the very thing they’re busy blocking now.
They’re not blocking reverse engineering. They’re blocking unauthorized access to their servers.
You’re being unnecessarily pedantic. Apple was blocking interoperability and reverse engineering found a solution—and Apple is blocking that solution.
I’m not being remotely pedantic.
Apple reverse-engineered MS standards to improve interoperability so you could open Apple files on Windows and vise versa. They didn’t reverse engineer Windows security so that you could open Apple files on MS servers.
Apple reverse engineered a file format, Beeper reverse engineered a protocol.
Microsoft made several changes to try to keep Apple out, Apple’s also made several changes to keep Beeper out, except now everyone’s online so it’s happening way faster.
It’s not exactly the same kind of reverse engineering, but I never said it was. I think you’ve got a very narrow definition of reverse engineering in your head and you’re quibbling over me using it more broadly than you would.
You’re hopeless
No one is saying what they do is illegal, people just say they are cunts.
Exactly, dick moves don’t need to be illegal to be dick moves. It’s like the constant price/ad increases. You can, but we’re gonna bitch and encourage people to stop supporting you because it’s a dick move
Agreed. Apple provides a free service locked to their hardware. It shouldn’t be surprising that they patched the vulnerabilities and blocked accounts.
They have interoperability. There are 1000+ interoperable messaging platforms you can use on iOS. Problem is they’re not “convenient” since SMS is the only interoperable standard that EVERY phone already has and you can’t use any other messaging app with SMS fallback, which is the only feature iMessage has that the others don’t.
There needs to be legislation that requires them to have unlockable bootloaders, to allow 3rd party app stores, and to be able to use other apps for SMS. And it needs to happen 10 years ago.
The fact that you need Apple’s permission before you can install any software on your device, and that Apple gets 30% of EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DIME YOU SEND in literally any fucking app is appalling and embarrassing.
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Yeah, I’m sure every beeper user knew the details of the iMessage tos and deserves to be locked out of a major selling point of the iMac they purchased because they tried to get access to that feature on an android phone. It’s incredibly unlikely anyone getting banned knew it was a possibility.
Just because apple put some bs in a TOS doesn’t make it moral or even necessarily legal.
Anyway maybe don’t be a shill for making the world worse for consumers even if you were correct with this terrible take.
Lmao, this is the most entitled bullshit excuse for willful ignorance I’ve read since Trump claimed he didn’t know he wasn’t allowed to steal top secret documents because nobody told him espionage was against the law.
And your response is the most arrogant boot licking BS excuse for intellectual analysis I’ve read since Mike Lindell insisted Trump won the election. Apple is not a mom and pop shop so when they control so much of our means to connect they damn sure should be scrutinized. You may not agree with that sentiment but a growing number of people who understand the issues sure do. This includes a growing number of regulators from around the world. Japan, the European Union and the United States are all in various stages of addressing this issue. Despite your bravado you don’t have the moral or intellectual high ground here.
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To be fair, you’re the one crying and twisting yourself around to defend the worlds biggest company here. What’s really funny is when you talk about “the rules” when I just outlined how international law is about to change the rules. It appears it’s you who isn’t happy with the rules and therefore you who is the massive hypocrite. You don’t like it? Well too bad. Start your own country then you lazy cry baby. 😉
“No u!”
Lmao
Which bit of this does Apple own? The beeper app? The iMac? The code that beeper wrote to communicate with Apple’s libraries? Apple doesn’t own shit here. It’s why they’re being investigated for breaking beeper multiple times. You can let Daddy Apple hit you harder if you want but consumers don’t have to take it. I’m hoping you’re a troll because nobody can be this stupid without really really trying.
And no, you can’t kick people out from your service at any time without cause. It turns out when you sell somebody a product that relies on services you agree to provide those services, what these people do on their Android phone with another company named beeper is none of your damn business. You can’t ban them. It’s fucked up. It isn’t entitled to expect the products you bought from Apple to continue to work. Despite what you do with your Android phone to say otherwise is insane. So again, I hope your troll or that you come to realize that you have rights as a consumer. Anyway, I’m tapping out on this one. Have a good evening everybody.
They own the servers and the services that run on them.
Apple owns its servers. Apple owns its services. And when you use them while breaking the rules, they get to kick you off of both. You are not entitled to anything.
I’m constantly blown away at the number of people who think issue is actually about bubble colors…
It is. You can get all the privacy and features you want on a dozen of other services.
😂 no, it isn’t.
You can get it on hundreds of other services if the people you talk to also use those other services.
The problem is that they don’t because Apple does not allow you to use any other service with SMS fallback.