A decade ago, a lot of folks would probably seriously consider this. Austin is a rad town and cost of living is cheaper than San Diego. Now moving to Texas could put you at significant risk if you’re a woman.
Apple, a company that likes to value diversity and inclusion, is apparently fine with putting its female employees in harm’s way for a tax break.
Of all the shit Apple has done, this is particularly disturbing.
Edit: Took a few more minutes to look into this, and it appears that Apple covers travel and medical expenses for women that have to travel out of state for care. Although, forcing someone into that position to keep their job is pretty douchey.
The topic was cost of living. Then someone mentioned it AND taxes. Then this person replied to the cost of living part.
Seems weird to read this conversation and see the claim bias and goalpost moving. They very clearly are not shifting anything.
Also you’re making a pretty wild assumption that by stating facts with evidence that they’re “biased”. Don’t be that guy/girl. I hate it when conservatives do that too.
Average monthly salary in the cities is listed at the bottom of that link I gave. The two cities differ in monthly salary by $14 dollars on average, per the available data. Those same submissions show that the cost of living is ~20% higher in San Diego than Austin.
Not relevant as the topic is IT at Apple and not folks at McDonalds as well as being about Taxes for the Company. The Company cares not one whit for the CoL of their Employees except when it affects the quality.
Or build a blue city on the triple-border of South Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming. Property is crazy cheap there. It’s the perfect place for a big “blue utopia” city.
Because of those states’ small population, just a small number of Democratic votes there could yield three states’ electoral votes and six senators.
Republicans would lose forever if Democrats didn’t gerrymander themselves into the coasts.
IIRC some red states have already floated the idea of not letting people vote for several years after moving there specifically to ensure that Republicans never lose control.
Bend gets snowed out frequently and suffers from a lack of diversity. It could use some more folks for sure but idk if people would want to live there in the winter
You think it’s expensive now, but wait till everyone with all that California tech money rolls in and starts buying everything sight-unseen. And in cash.
Even covering expenses still puts women’s lives at risk.
Sure if you get pregnant and early on decide you want one, they can help out, AFTER you divulge very private information.
But what about all the myriad of other scenarios where people need medical abortions in life threatening situations. You don’t always have the time to get yourself to another state, and then you die, or lose the ability to get pregnant again.
Sure its nice they offer it, but fuck them for putting women in that situation anyway. They don’t get a pass for covering costs when they can.
Edit: Took a few more minutes to look into this, and it appears that Apple covers travel and medical expenses for women that have to travel out of state for care. Although, forcing someone into that position to keep their job is pretty douchey.
And when the Texas government arrests them to keep them from traveling for an abortion, Apple will break them out of jail?
A decade ago, a lot of folks would probably seriously consider this. Austin is a rad town and cost of living is cheaper than San Diego. Now moving to Texas could put you at significant risk if you’re a woman.
Apple, a company that likes to value diversity and inclusion, is apparently fine with putting its female employees in harm’s way for a tax break.
Of all the shit Apple has done, this is particularly disturbing.
Edit: Took a few more minutes to look into this, and it appears that Apple covers travel and medical expenses for women that have to travel out of state for care. Although, forcing someone into that position to keep their job is pretty douchey.
Austin isn’t even that much cheaper and property tax in TX is heinous compared to CA.
Not cheaper at all, actually. They only discuss income tax when folks claim that.
Austin is cheaper than San Diego, even excluding taxes:
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=United+States&city1=Austin%2C+TX&city2=San+Diego%2C+CA
Also, the topic was taxes, not cost of living. But it is understandable that when folks can’t justify their bias they simply shift the goal posts.
Pay is higher in CA so that isn’t the smug data point you thought it was.
The topic was cost of living. Then someone mentioned it AND taxes. Then this person replied to the cost of living part.
Seems weird to read this conversation and see the claim bias and goalpost moving. They very clearly are not shifting anything.
Also you’re making a pretty wild assumption that by stating facts with evidence that they’re “biased”. Don’t be that guy/girl. I hate it when conservatives do that too.
Nope it is Taxes for the Company. The Company cares not one whit for the CoL of their Employees except when it affects the quality.
I see that you’re shifting goalposts, neat.
Average monthly salary in the cities is listed at the bottom of that link I gave. The two cities differ in monthly salary by $14 dollars on average, per the available data. Those same submissions show that the cost of living is ~20% higher in San Diego than Austin.
Not relevant as the topic is IT at Apple and not folks at McDonalds as well as being about Taxes for the Company. The Company cares not one whit for the CoL of their Employees except when it affects the quality.
It’s relevant since the topic was cost of living. If you’re going to try to talk to people, try to keep up with the conversation.
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all the tech companies should move to another smaller city in a blue state all at once. turn Salem OR or something into the next big tech hub
Welcome to Raleigh!
Or build a blue city on the triple-border of South Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming. Property is crazy cheap there. It’s the perfect place for a big “blue utopia” city.
Because of those states’ small population, just a small number of Democratic votes there could yield three states’ electoral votes and six senators.
Republicans would lose forever if Democrats didn’t gerrymander themselves into the coasts.
IIRC some red states have already floated the idea of not letting people vote for several years after moving there specifically to ensure that Republicans never lose control.
Bend OR has a decent sized Sony studio apparently.
Bend gets snowed out frequently and suffers from a lack of diversity. It could use some more folks for sure but idk if people would want to live there in the winter
austin is crazy expensive now. it was already starting to get that way when i lived there ~ 25 years ago.
and i’d pick the san diego climate any day over anywhere in texas.
You think it’s expensive now, but wait till everyone with all that California tech money rolls in and starts buying everything sight-unseen. And in cash.
The average tax burden in Texas is actually higher than California. People see “no income tax!” and lose all ability to reason
Wouldn’t be the first time conservative voters misunderstand taxes
Even covering expenses still puts women’s lives at risk.
Sure if you get pregnant and early on decide you want one, they can help out, AFTER you divulge very private information.
But what about all the myriad of other scenarios where people need medical abortions in life threatening situations. You don’t always have the time to get yourself to another state, and then you die, or lose the ability to get pregnant again.
Sure its nice they offer it, but fuck them for putting women in that situation anyway. They don’t get a pass for covering costs when they can.
With a 2% chance of an ectopic pregnancy, it’s a little like Russian Roulette if you’re of childbearing age, isn’t it?
Bullshit.
They don’t give a shit.
It’s something of importance to their target demographic, so they play into it.
Sorry, values diversity and inclusion?
Yeah, if you include the slave labour that was literally chained inside their factories in China?
And when the Texas government arrests them to keep them from traveling for an abortion, Apple will break them out of jail?
Not saying this corporate policy makes up for Apple trying to re-lo people to the Texas. Just providing more detail.
Bail money counts as expenses, I’d say.
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