jesus-christ

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    41
    ·
    10 months ago

    Oof. I was going to say the same thing; Lots of people see their own lives in the story and the way Lolita was failed by the people around her, yadda yadda. But now, Rowling always has to go below and beneath.

    I haven’t read it either but I’m told that if you have any critical thinking skills it’s very obvious that what’s his ass is the villain and Lolita is very much a child being abused by an adult. idk how you get either pornography or “a great and tragic love story” out of that.

    Lolita had a lot of weird cultural moments back like 20 years ago when it was a favorite of a lot of goth girls I knew. I never really understood why. Looking back I’m about 50/50 on if they were just trolling and being transgressive, or if it was something about how society objectifies young women and puts enormous contradictory demands on them all while subjecting them to abuse.

    • GalaxyBrain [they/them]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      32
      ·
      10 months ago

      You need to just not be a pedophile yourself. It’s not subtext here, it’s text. Your 50/50 regarding goth girls you knew liking it is accurate but in thst half were being transgression and the other half is the latter. I’d heard essentially what you had before and gave it a read, the Kubrick movie is what people are generally thinking of, not the book. There is no way you could read that book and take it as an endorsement of pedophilia

        • Vampire [any]@hexbear.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          24
          ·
          10 months ago

          yeah the prose is outstanding

          Nabokov never wrote one likable character in any book. Someone above said Lolita has a “narrator who you’re not supposed to sympathize with”, but you’re not supposed to sympathise with anyone, his is a worldview where people are morally low and sadistic manipulators, or else pathetic rubes being manipulated


          The void of the street, revealing nothing of my wife’s departure except a rhinestone button that she had dropped in the mud after preserving it for three unnecessary years in a broken box, may have spared me a bloody nose. But no matter. I had my little revenge in due time. A man from Pasadena told me one day that Mrs. Maximovich née Zborovski had died in childbirth around 1945; the couple had somehow got over to California and had been used there, for an excellent salary, in a year-long experiment conducted by a distinguished American ethnologist. The experiment dealt with human and racial reactions to a diet of bananas and dates in a constant position on all fours. My informant, a doctor, swore he had seen with his own eyes obese Valechka and her colonel, by then gray-haired and also quite corpulent, diligently crawling about the well-swept floors of a brightly lit set of rooms (fruit in one, water in another, mats in a third and so on) in the company of several other hired quadrupeds, selected from indigent and helpless groups. I tried to find the results of these tests in the Review of Anthropology; but they appear not to have been published yet. These scientific products take of course some time to fructuate. I hope they will be illustrated with photographs when they do get printed, although it is not very likely that a prison library will harbor such erudite works.

    • Ideology [she/her]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      26
      ·
      10 months ago

      or if it was something about how society objectifies young women and puts enormous contradictory demands on them all while subjecting them to abuse.

      SA

      A good portion of this category have been assaulted themselves and are looking for explanations of how/why this sort of thing even happens. Just being like “oh, his twisted brain is just broken” isn’t really a satisfactory answer when thinking about something horrifying that’s happened to you. Bear in mind common stats point to 1 in 3 women being sexually abused in their lifetime.

      It doesn’t sound like this necessarily aligns with Rowling’s experience. Or if it does, she picked the absolute worst way to cope.

    • Great_Leader_Is_Dead [none/use name]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      ·
      10 months ago

      you have any critical thinking skills

      From what I understand you don’t really even need that, the book makes it pretty blatant that what the dude is doing is beyond fucked up. The reputation is has is mostly due to bad adaptations of it.