• BaardFigur@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Norwegian here. Healthcare isn’t entirely free here, but it sure is affordable. I’m not sure if entirely free is a thing to strive for. A minor cost helps upper the bar slightly, so people don’t annoy the doctors office with stupid minor stuff (which is already happening).

    Higher education is also not entirely free, just really cheap. But as long as you get a stipend (everbody that finish their study does), the state end up giving you more money than you spend. So yes, free higher education is great, I feel sorry for americans.

    Affordable housing: should that be free? I agree it should be affordable though, but how can that be achieved? It’s basically the free market deciding

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        While the current state of capitalism is sort of broken (doing all kinds of evil stuff in the name of shareholder profit), doesn’t make all elements of it broken.

        I’m pretty happy to be able to own personal stuff for example. Like a house. Or smaller stuff, like a phone. There also needs to be some kind of mechanism actually encouraging people to contribute to society.

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          Personal property and private property are important distinctions. Personal property is established and maintained autonomously through social connections, while private property is maintained thru coercive systems and institutions (an invention from capitalism).

          The threat of starvation and coercive violence are the main factors incentivizing people to work under capitalism.

          For more - read ANARCHY WORKS by Peter Gelderloos. Chapter: Economy, “Without wages, what is the incentive to work?” (pg. 61)

          https://anarchy.works/primer.html#toc22

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            Yeah, that works so well that exactly zero countries, among 8 billion people have implemented it

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              Hm I wonder how that’s possible… You’re really close to understanding how imperialism, colonialism and the war machine works

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          Capitalism isn’t broken, you’re right. The misery of 90-95% if society is expected under capitalism. It’s not a sign of capitalism being broken but for it working as intended.

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      There’s no such thing as a free market. It’s a myth. I’d rather believe in unicorns.