People call left wing podcast discourse to be terminally online but god damn how did these right wing become such soyboys crying about shooting at ones and zeros.
I hope someone makes a game where if you shoot a cop in the game, a cop magically dies irl.
The Payday games are not good games but God damn there’s just something about them that keeps me coming back!
Keep those helmets spinning
How’s 3?
Haven’t played 3 but I reinstalled 2 again recently and it still rocks
It ran extremely poorly when I tried it, like an inconsistent 40 on the first bank map. I tried to look for fixes but on top of there not being much I didn’t really want to do the developer’s work for them. It’s also online only. The core game loop seemed good but I didn’t get far enough to see how the progression worked. Also the nebula site that’s needed to play was outright broken for a full day when I tried it at the end of november.
I’m going to check on it in again in a year and see if it’s worth playing.
I’m glad to see that being able to express aesthetic criticism only in terms of morality is not exclusively a leftist problem
Whining about the morals and ethics of Grand Theft Auto? They really are doing the late 90’s/early aughts nostalgia train.
Unethical against what system of ethics? Ethics are a system or morally based policy and is generally applied to a professional field. These geeks always use the term ‘unethical’ as a substitute for ‘immoral’ which is what they really mean, but ‘immoral’ is an individual value jusgement and subjective where ‘unethical’ implies a pre established code of ethics that wasn’t followed and is an objective statement. So they’re using the wrong word to make their opinions seem like facts.
To quote every chud circa 2014: “It’s about ethics in video game journalism”
I think that’s where they started using the word wrong all the time or deceptively. Although in this case the deception is in the entire premise, they’d be using the words ethics correctly if the whole sentence wasn’t a lie.
Maybe they think video game writers signed a code of ethics, maybe even an industry wide one!
They either know what they’re doing or are just bad with words. They’re commonly turned into synonyms, and it bugs me cause of what I posted above. Not knowing about words makes you more susceptible to propaganda, knowing the precise meanings of words let’s you know how dumb marketing is
Also ‘morals’ and ‘ethics’ are used interchangeably in general too often, being a linguistic percrisriptivist is always gonna be a lost battle, but I don’t like when a language evolves to lose words or to make two words synonyms when they weren’t before. Like precise word choices because I know precisely what is being said, don’t be a vibes based language any more than necessary
I mean, prescriptivism in technical terminology is good IMO. We need consistent definitions to discuss technical subjects, and people who study and discuss the technical subjects should be familiar with the prescribed definitions. Like, you’ll have a difficult time understanding theory if you think “materialism” is used as “driven to acquiring material goods”
In general conversation, prescriptivism is shit and should be avoided
Alpha male retvrn tv trvditviv guys who were capital g gamers 2 years ago going full 2006 Jack Thompson simultaneously is baffling and also makes complete sense
Putting on my tinfoil hat for a second: Rockstar paid them to make these videos so they could get counterculture marketing for the first time in almost 2 decades
I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised, a big part of the marketing of the original GTA back in 1997 was leaking information about how you can kill cops and pedestrians to conservative morality crusaders and right wing rags like the Daily Mail. All of the “Ban this sick filth!” tabloid headlines were apparently celebrated by the dev team because they knew every British (and soon after international) kid would desperately want to check the game out lmao
It’s literally South Park the game lol. How do these people eat that slop but get angry at gta
“Conservatism is the new punk rock”
Does Animorphs transformation into Briefcase Kid from middle school, respects cops twice as hard
Vibeo gmae have the twerking, black people, shooting cops in it BAN THIS SICK FILTH NOW
I definitely pulled a Hank Hill when I played those games in the past. I practically turned into the character, being like “I wanna go straight but they keep pulling me back in!”
Mass killing of cops was the only fun part of Cyberpunk 2077
I’ll have to put this on in the background later, love me some video essay slop
Did you… watch the video? His point is that even without real world harm, the game is still immoral— and he doesn’t even take that position, he just considers it.
yea and he should be shot for that
no i wont watch the video
Your loss, it was pretty good (he states he will play the game so he obviously doesn’t have that strong of a condemnation)
Did you… watch the video?
I didn’t watch the video. But given that wouldn’t most popular games be immoral. The vast majority of games involve killing.
In my experience most popular games encourage you to make a moral choice versus immoral, even when killing it’s usually in war or isn’t explicitly required if its actually murdering innocent people. When a game does make you an immoral character it seems to be even more controversial than GTA, like the Postal games. Or there was an indie game long ago where you played as Lee Harvey Oswald recreating the JFK shooting, it was seen as a pretty offensive thing.
I mean he doesn’t actually tell you that it’s immoral, he says “maybe it’s immoral” and then says “I’ll play it” so he obviously doesn’t hate players, he just gives some interesting thoughts.
If that’s the entire stance, then I agree. To the extent that games promote the status quo. Games like COD do not have real world consequences but it reinforces American hegemony. But GTA just takes the piss out of everything with few of the games having anything real to say, so it’s not immoral in my eyes.
I think the moral part of a game would be what choices it encourages the player to make. Has anyone seen enough of GTAVI to know or is he talking about GTA in general? I feel like a major theme of the series is that average people commit crime and get into violence because of conditions they are in already. The player character in my view isn’t evil or malicious (except maybe Trevor at times? But he does a lot of meth or whatever), I admit I didn’t beat GTAV though but I’ve played through a good portion and all other GTAs. Missions in GTA don’t tend to be like, “rob all the old people because it’s fun”, it’s like, your homie is in trouble, you have to help him by shooting the rival gang, which in the situation isn’t necessarily immoral. I think that’s part of the huge popularity, it doesn’t make you feel bad for doing things that are seen as ‘bad’ like robbery and murder, it doesn’t make it seem like something you are supposed to do either really.
watching youtube videos that are longer than 5 minutes
Hell of it is, I can guarantee that at least one of these guys hated Jack Thompson in the mid '00s
Since when is Alex O’Connor right wing?
It wasn’t just the video. The ones who restarted this “killing cops in a video game is bad” discourse are right wing fascists. See Elon Musk and Andrew Tate.
Andrew Tate, claiming to be manly and strong while crying about dead cops in a video game.
Alex’s point has really nothing to do with cops, he’s talking about crime in general. In fact he makes a very unique one. This seems like a bad example of the sentiment to be criticized.
Crime is bad
What’s his argument? I have no idea who he is
