Those things are too rich for my blood, but it seems to me like the concept is a great idea, and it would be nice if something like that became cheaper and standardized across brands.

I’ve always been really annoyed by the fact that laptops with socketed CPUs disappeared a decade ago. And these days a ton of laptop manufacturers are very eager to solder the SSD and RAM as well. This occasionally goes as far as laptops with permanent, soldered single channel RAM, and that’s horrifying. These things are destined to be e-waste, ending up in landfills far sooner than typical for equivalent desktop components.

When you upgrade a desktop you have so many more options that will save you money over buying a totally new system. GPUs are essentially plug 'n play. You can often upgrade the CPU just as easily, though every once in a while you’ll need to replace the motherboard. Same goes for RAM. Everything else can almost always be reused: the case, the fans, the CPU cooler, the storage, the monitor, the mouse, and the keyboard. Even the PSU if you’re not getting a significantly more power hungry CPU or GPU. All of that can add up to a ton of money.

Socketed CPUs in laptops are probably never coming back due to how much space they tend to take up. And laptop GPUs will probably never be socketed in the first place for the same reason. But if you could buy a standardized chassis and simply swap out entire motherboards that come in a standardized laptop form factor, upgrading would be so much more cost efficient, as would laptop repair. Also, lets bring back easily removable and swappable laptop batteries while we’re at it.

Unfortunately, this all flies in the face of the inherent capitalist enshittification going on with consumer electronics, and I’m skeptical Framework will ever be anything more than a very expensive niche for enthusiasts who like to tinker with their devices. But I don’t see any technical reasons why something like this wouldn’t be possible and practical.

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    Built into the panel.

    And I’ve looked into removing IDTF to try and increase the power limits previously, it doesn’t work because the thing that’s causing the power throttling is the embedded controller, and there’s no safe way to modify that thing. I’ve seen some tricks involving altering the IMON slope in the BIOS setup to report a fake, lowered power consumption to the EC to trick it into not throttling, but I’ve never seen anyone get it to work on an Intel G series processor. I’ve seen it work successfully on 8th gen and older U series processors, pretty much all H series processors, and 12th gen and newer U series processors, but infuriatingly not on any CPU carrying the G suffix.

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        Most laptops do have the barest minimum amount of cooling to dissipate their TDP, but in my laptop there’s some thermal headroom. Once the fan gets going at maximum RPM and the laptop power throttles to 22 watts, the temperature stabilizes around 85 to 90 degrees. The maximum temperature it reaches before thermal throttling is 100 degrees, so I think it could most likely handle 25 watts sustained and up to 40 watts in bursts, at least in the winter.