I donât understand what you mean here? Iâm sure biological sex and gender identity are considered separate ideas even in languages without a specific word for them.
Some people here in Germany claim so. These people use the English word âgenderâ, because German doesnât offer a specific word for that. But I donât understand why one has to differentiate. I donât think there is gender identity.
Identity is the constitution of my character and my values. Feelings and emotions are not part of character, they are reactions to stimuli.
To my mind a lot of transphobia comes from people not understanding thereâs a difference between sex and gender.
But thatâs barely comprehensible to me. How could it ever be, if my language does not offer this differentiation.
The way we talk strongly affect the way we think. And I am not thinking in categories such as gender and sex.
There is just gender (the last sentences sound weird. But I simply cannot translate it)
As for the XXY, Iâm OP and thatâs my mistake. I misremembered my biology lessons and thought a second X chromosome made someone biological female, rather than the presence of an Y chromosome making someone male. I replied to someone else explaining my mistake.
Identity is the constitution of my character and my values. Feelings and emotions are not part of character, they are reactions to stimuli.
What does that have to do with gender? Just because you think you donât care about gender, doesnât mean that society doesnât, or that gender doesnât care about you.
Gender: Social and sometimes people raised as one gender donât identify as being that gender
But why the word gender then?
Because if it only relates to the way someone was raised, then it is not connected to the sex.
The role of a male or the role of a female are very different in other cultures.
So gender becomes something extremely vague.
What if I identify my gender to be male? What does that even mean then? Is my gender then what European men are like? What kind of European man?
Or a Muslim man? Maybe an ultra radical Indian man who would burn his wife?
The role of a man and a woman is usually a purely social construct. Why would I identify with such a construct?
Itâs so vague. And what use does gender identity have?
We humans use such terms usually to classify the properties of a human. But the gender term seems to be a bad classification standard. Classification must be something specific. But this gender term is not very specific.
This English stuff makes me go mad. It makes me go mad.
Maybe for context: the German word âGeschlechtâ is also not the most precise. It means sex, but in the past it also meant something like old family, like the some old royal family. It is also used genealogically.
If I am a male and I am looking for a mate to make children, then I am not interested in the persons belief, what they believe to be, but their biological properties.
When does gender become relevant?
I have looked up gender studies. Gender studies started to analyse the cultural and social dynamics between the sexes. Also analysing the roles, male and females take in society according to their sex.
But the term gender, does that not undermine those studies? Because how can you analyse those dynamics, if gender becomes a term so loose?
Because words have a meaning and you donât seem to understand the difference between sex and gender so I explained it to you in the simplest way possible. If you want to argue that gender doesnât exist then I can refer you to tons of videos from people much more knowledgeable than you and me on that subject.
Itâs funny that you say âGerman is a precise languageâ and youâre mad that in English thereâs a word to distinguish between two separate concepts⊠Are you somehow trying to argue that German is a superior language instead of admitting that maybe it doesnât cover every possibilities? Wait until you learn about Japanese and Mandarin with their words for abstract concepts!
Why would I identify with such a construct?
You donât live in society?
If I am a male and I am looking for a mate to make children, then I am not interested in the persons belief, what they believe to be, but their biological properties.
Oh so then you donât mind if your mate looks like him or do you think it might be relevant to speak about gender now that youâre thinking about forming a family with that person? This part of your text also makes you sound a lot like you believe in eugenics⊠Trying to pass your genes based on the how good the other people is biologically and nothing else⊠Iâll leave it at thatâŠ
I donât know where you found your definition of gender study but itâs exactly what it says, women study has been a thing for ages, nothing unusual about broadening that field to encompassate more than just women and it just so happens that some people donât fit in what is men or women gender expectations.
Youâre stuck on the fact that genders vary from place to place⊠As if everything else is the same no matter where you look in the world? A person raised male but identifying as female might have been two spirit (a gender older than the society you live in by the way) had they been raised in a traditional first Nation family, but thatâs not their reality and as such they make their situation make sense in the context they live in.
Just because your language doesnât have a word for it doesnât mean people donât experience it, it just means your language needs to evolve. If the word for depression doesnât exist in a language then do you think depression doesnât exist for the people who speak it?
Some people here in Germany claim so. These people use the English word âgenderâ, because German doesnât offer a specific word for that. But I donât understand why one has to differentiate. I donât think there is gender identity. Identity is the constitution of my character and my values. Feelings and emotions are not part of character, they are reactions to stimuli.
But thatâs barely comprehensible to me. How could it ever be, if my language does not offer this differentiation. The way we talk strongly affect the way we think. And I am not thinking in categories such as gender and sex. There is just gender (the last sentences sound weird. But I simply cannot translate it)
Alright. Nature is crazy.
We donât have a word for schadenfreude in English, but trust me, we still experience it.
What does that have to do with gender? Just because you think you donât care about gender, doesnât mean that society doesnât, or that gender doesnât care about you.
Sex: Biological and even then sometimes biology screws up
Gender: Social and sometimes people raised as one gender donât identify as being that gender
But why the word gender then?
Because if it only relates to the way someone was raised, then it is not connected to the sex. The role of a male or the role of a female are very different in other cultures. So gender becomes something extremely vague.
What if I identify my gender to be male? What does that even mean then? Is my gender then what European men are like? What kind of European man? Or a Muslim man? Maybe an ultra radical Indian man who would burn his wife?
The role of a man and a woman is usually a purely social construct. Why would I identify with such a construct? Itâs so vague. And what use does gender identity have? We humans use such terms usually to classify the properties of a human. But the gender term seems to be a bad classification standard. Classification must be something specific. But this gender term is not very specific.
This English stuff makes me go mad. It makes me go mad. Maybe for context: the German word âGeschlechtâ is also not the most precise. It means sex, but in the past it also meant something like old family, like the some old royal family. It is also used genealogically.
If I am a male and I am looking for a mate to make children, then I am not interested in the persons belief, what they believe to be, but their biological properties.
When does gender become relevant?
I have looked up gender studies. Gender studies started to analyse the cultural and social dynamics between the sexes. Also analysing the roles, male and females take in society according to their sex. But the term gender, does that not undermine those studies? Because how can you analyse those dynamics, if gender becomes a term so loose?
But why the word gender then?Because words have a meaning and you donât seem to understand the difference between sex and gender so I explained it to you in the simplest way possible. If you want to argue that gender doesnât exist then I can refer you to tons of videos from people much more knowledgeable than you and me on that subject.
Itâs funny that you say âGerman is a precise languageâ and youâre mad that in English thereâs a word to distinguish between two separate concepts⊠Are you somehow trying to argue that German is a superior language instead of admitting that maybe it doesnât cover every possibilities? Wait until you learn about Japanese and Mandarin with their words for abstract concepts!
Why would I identify with such a construct?You donât live in society?
If I am a male and I am looking for a mate to make children, then I am not interested in the persons belief, what they believe to be, but their biological properties.Oh so then you donât mind if your mate looks like him or do you think it might be relevant to speak about gender now that youâre thinking about forming a family with that person? This part of your text also makes you sound a lot like you believe in eugenics⊠Trying to pass your genes based on the how good the other people is biologically and nothing else⊠Iâll leave it at thatâŠ
I donât know where you found your definition of gender study but itâs exactly what it says, women study has been a thing for ages, nothing unusual about broadening that field to encompassate more than just women and it just so happens that some people donât fit in what is men or women gender expectations.
Youâre stuck on the fact that genders vary from place to place⊠As if everything else is the same no matter where you look in the world? A person raised male but identifying as female might have been two spirit (a gender older than the society you live in by the way) had they been raised in a traditional first Nation family, but thatâs not their reality and as such they make their situation make sense in the context they live in.
Just because your language doesnât have a word for it doesnât mean people donât experience it, it just means your language needs to evolve. If the word for depression doesnât exist in a language then do you think depression doesnât exist for the people who speak it?
Totally not me clicking your link entirely because I know thereâs gonna be a hot guy behind it >_>